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Bottom line... Jones needs a win this weekend badly to kill all of this stuff both inside and outside the locker room.
 
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Just how involved are player's daddies in day to day team business and their son's team participation? Seems to me mommas and daddies shouldn't be involved in team business and day to day operations.
 
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ProudVOLfan said:
After having 2 years like this you would think we would be used to it but I am not lol.. good looking dog BTW I had one just like him named Doc (after Holliday of course)
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seriously, every week my wife goes "why do we always have to be in games like this" making us both grey headed.....awesome name rite there, and outstanding role by Val Kilmer in tombstone lol ours is Beauregarde we just call him Beau
 
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UTFootballFan said:
Just how involved are player's daddies involved in day to day team business and their son's team particpation? Seems to me mommas and daddies shouldn't be involved in team business and day to day operations.
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I'm guessing TKsr may be a special case.
 
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UTFootballFan said:
Just how involved are player's daddies involved in day to day team business and their son's team particpation? Seems to me mommas and daddies shouldn't be involved in team business and day to day operations.
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Todd Kelly Sr's involvement in the program transcends his son's.
 
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sjt18 said:
Bottom line... Jones needs a win this weekend badly to kill all of this stuff both inside and outside the locker room.
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a win would probably do it

even a close and well played game with the team looking like they have fire and play their hearts out would help

a loss brings up more questions

then if/when we loose to Vandy, Kentucky, SC, or anyone else (other than Bama which is expected) it'll just be like pouring gas on the flames
 
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sjt18 said:
If I understand your comment correctly... I think that's probably what Jones expected. I think he expected and wanted JG to pass QD. JG hasn't developed mentally as fast as expected and QD just won't get out of the way... he keeps performing better and earning the job.

If that's true... then there could be a divided coaching staff and team. One of the commentators last Saturday mentioned that he didn't like the body language of the team after JG came in. If that is true and meaningful then it would support the notion that the players think QD should be the starter and aren't happy that the head games continue.

There have been a few interviews in which Kelly has demonstrated that he likes and respects Dormady. He talked in one of them about their time in mop up in earlier years and how they talked about things when it came their turn. The only thing I've ever heard him say about JG is the talking point: "We have confidence in whichever QB is in the game".

Nothing conclusive... just smoke drifting in a particular direction. If Kelly's the leader of the O... and he thinks QD should be the guy based on what he's experienced in practice... and Jones is still trying to find a way to let JG win the job... not good.
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That's what I meant. I think Jones sold JG on being Dobbs 2.0 and that QD was Worley. QD has earned the playing time and should pkay more making JG unhappy putting Jones in a vice..
 
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sjt18 said:
You came right out and said it.
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Nope, I said I wouldn't blame Butch until we know the facts. Not sure how you make the leap from that to Butch being a victim, but okay.

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Maybe because he's being paid $11,000/day to be UT's HC?
And who is responsible STILL for managing the players and coaches?
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Okay, so let's blame Butch for something he may have nothing to do with it. Again, this fits your agenda so I understand.
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You could. It just wouldn't be true. Situations like this are never as simple as he's right and he's wrong. But in this situation... someone IS responsible. That's Jones.
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Okay, again this fits with your agenda.
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They are. But they don't live in a vacuum or develop a bad attitude exclusive of the HC.
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So every head coach in the nation is responsible for the attitude of every player. That is a victim mentality if I've ever heard one.


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I don't blame him for everything. I've been very careful all along not to blame him for things that I didn't have at least a decent case for believing.
I don't know what happened for sure but being "bad" doesn't make the info true. The source seems to be credible and the information seems to be consistent with other things that have happened.
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My whole point is, don't jump to conclusions without facts. But you've already jumped there. So we can agree to disagree. I have my opinion, you have yours, let's leave it at that.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
With Tennessee's HC, past is prologue. He is his own history, and 10 year head coaching record. An 8 win per year average coach, with an occasional peak and valley. Grab a win you shouldn't, lose two you should win. There is something intrinsically flawed in his "system", however infallible as he believes it to be, that keeps him at that 8 win average no matter what he does.

The ones speculating are the ones who refuse to see that, and hope he becomes something else.
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There's a reason why at least some of the fanbase didn't just now get to that point because of UF and or UMass.

History.
 
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dcibrando said:
a win would probably do it

even a close and well played game with the team looking like they have fire and play their hearts out would help

a loss brings up more questions

then if/when we loose to Vandy, Kentucky, SC, or anyone else (other than Bama which is expected) it'll just be like pouring gas on the flames
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A win would certainly hit the snooze button. The alarm goes off again however as soon as the Head Coach does what he does, and loses to a cellar dweller in the division.
 
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dcibrando said:
a win would probably do it

even a close and well played game with the team looking like they have fire and play their hearts out would help

a loss brings up more questions

then if/when we loose to Vandy, Kentucky, SC, or anyone else (other than Bama which is expected) it'll just be like pouring gas on the flames
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They'd have to play flawlessly to beat Georgia

That said somehow Jones teams alway show up when backs against the wall
 
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UTFootballFan said:
Just how involved are player's daddies involved in day to day team business and their son's team particpation? Seems to me mommas and daddies shouldn't be involved in team business and day to day operations.
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more or less agreed but when daddy a VFL, things can be a touch different, no?


Edit: i see multiple folks beat me to my reply :)
 
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appyvol said:
De1 used to bring good insight to the RF, then got butthurt and went all negative.
Now he just stirs the pot when he needs to stick to cutting hair.
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Sounds like your butthurt, because you are a fan of a snake oil salesman coach instead of a fan of the University of Tennessee.
 
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DE1C- Trying desperately to obtain insider status since 2010. Keep the rumors coming...you are bound to be right one of these days.
 
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it's a message board, and it's a lot of anonymity.

someone posts something says they "know". there's speculations on past transgressions. some can be substantiated just due to the fact some kids have transferred, under varying degrees of 'ruffled feathers'.

i get that there some of you out there that do have some type of insider information. sometimes it's accurate, sometimes it's not.

but i don't know any of you. lol. so, if any/all of this turns out to be true, then i think we all know that story ends, rightfully so. and that will happen whether it's posted here or not.

so, if it is true, what really is gained by posting it here? what purpose to does it really serve? at that point, imo, it goes beyond the "entertainment" factor boards like this are supposed to serve, and it moves toward "fulfilling agendas". that i might agree with the basic premise that CBJ should no longer be the coach here, doesn't matter.

i just can't find a reason that makes doing so anything other than pushing narratives. again, if they're true, what's going to happen is going to happen, regardless if you post it or not. that kind of truth always comes out, and it's not sustainable to run a program that way.

and there is plenty of information out there about recruiting and players comments on the atmosphere, family culture, relationship with coaches etc...that is contrary to many of the things being portrayed in this thread.

so i'd just say that like in most things, IF there's any truth to any part of this, it probably lies somewhere in the middle.

anywho.....carry on.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Rumblings of this stuff had been around the program for 4 years. The head coach does a good job of controlling the narrative coming out of the program, but of you know and talk to people (parents, relatives, players, low level AD people etc.)the stories of player discontent have been a regular component if this program under the current leadership. It's been talked about before, and per Volnation standard, the players have been labeled malcontent drama queens and the cause of it all.

People bring it, and nobody wants to hear it. That's okay...kill the messengers. Obviously that's best for the players and program.
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Depends what parent or booster you talk too. Winning cures everything. From the people I know, certain 5* players were shown special treatment, which caused some rift with players who actually work hard in practice (Richmond/Hurd). Most say it was clear from the first few practices that AK deserved to be the starting RB and that Richmond was nothing more than a tity baby. Nobody that post on here has any credible knowledge of what is going on in the AD department.
 
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brad37128 said:
Depends what parent or booster your talk too. Winning cures everything. From the people I know, certain 5* players were shown special treatment, which caused some rift with players who actually work hard in practice (Richmond/Hurd). Most say it was clear from the first few practices that AK deserved to be the starting RB and that Richmond was nothing more than a tity baby. Nobody that post on here has any credible knowledge of what is going on in the AD department.
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We agreed right up until the last sentence.

There are those of us living in Knoxville that have neighbors, church members, people in our circle if friends that are connected in many ways to what is going on in the AD. And they talk. It's way more widespread than you may think how many 1 and 2 degree of separation relationships there are in this town. It's not a big place.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
We agreed right up until the last sentence.

There are those of us living in Knoxville that have neighbors, church members, people in our circle if friends that are connected in many ways to what is going on in the AD. And they talk. It's way more widespread than you may think how many 1 and 2 degree of separation relationships there are in this town. It's not a big place.
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So in the end this thread is a rumor with the intent of getting attention and stirring the pot. Everyone knows that Butch has underachieved and this is year #5. The time is now and backs are against the wall. I will be there Saturday pulling for the Vols to win. I trust that you will be doing the same. :hi:
 
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brad37128 said:
So in the end this thread is a rumor with the intent of getting attention and stirring the pot. Everyone knows that Butch has underachieved and this is year #5. The time is now and backs are against the wall. I will be there Saturday pulling for the Vols to win. I trust that you will be doing the same. :hi:
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Nope...while I'll be pulling for a win, I'll be spending my time at Maryville College watching my son play. Go Scots!
 
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Volfan76 said:
DE1C- Trying desperately to obtain insider status since 2010. Keep the rumors coming...you are bound to be right one of these days.
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SolidRockGolf said:
de1 has always posted to support his selfish agenda. When a coach wasn't happy with him/his company he publicly came on here to bash them and try to turn recruits away from UT. Then he had a change of heart when money was placed in his hand and the doors were opened. He's the used car salesman that smokes 3 packs a day and knows strippers by name. JMO
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So he is for all intents and purposes an agent?
 
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First off, I don't think Butch has the ability or the time to promise anyone playing time considering he's been on the hot seat, according to this board, since he got here. All of the guys think they should start or they wouldn't put in the work to play. You could never tell me a guy like Kamara was promised playing time in his recruitment because he could have went to a lot more schools than just TN who would have delivered on that promise with no Hurd already there. Hurd's a tight end now...Not a running back no matter what formation he plays in at true dumpster fire school. Very few guys have transferred from TN and been elite much less sign to the NFL. Every coach including Fulmer was on the hot seat every year since this board was created except kiffin who wasn't here long enough to learn his own address. Wake up guys. Butch isn't a dead ringer but we've never been happy since 1998. Kids are gonna b---- and moan no matter what and still not play like an elite player. From my seat in seeing a handful of guys playing next level and a bunch of guys like JG who don't even need to dress out until they decide who they are and what they want to be. Everything else is just uncivilized.
 
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