Tim Banks

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landscapingvol said:
Tim Banks has absolutely nothing to do with the pass rush. He doesn’t coach them and he didn’t recruit them so I am not sure what point you are attempting to make unless you believe the DC tells them when to sack someone lol
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Tim Banks doesn't recruit anyone. Good grief. I can't even discuss something so stupid with you
 
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rocketskates said:
This is what I’ve been repeatedly responding to the “defense sucks” posts. We basically spotted them 21 points on a short field. If the final was 34-13 and the defense was responsible for 14 of our points we’d be praising them right now.

Bothwell gave us fits on the edge but he’s a stud and that was their gameplan. We did however completely shut down and sack Shapen 5 times.
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You actually watched the game, I think we have some that look at the score and make wild judgements. All but 1 touchdown came on short field drives. Yes there rushing attack is good, but like you said our D had 5 sacks and 2 touchdowns and we stepped up against their running game down the stretch. That you for your common sense logic post, it’s refreshing around here. GBO
 
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landscapingvol said:
I remember when LSU paid him a bunch of money as DC after Tennessee fired which doesn’t exactly prove your point that he wasn’t washed up
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My comment was not intended to say Chavis shouldn't have left. Just that you can apply the same comments about firing defensive coordinators to any coach we have through every era of VN posters
 
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The defense has definitely made some big plays, but they still give up too many 3rd and long / 4th downs. Whatever scheme is being used for those scenarios doesn’t seem to be working
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Most of the criticism is fair and part of the business when you work at a place like Tennessee, but let’s not lose sight of the big picture.

This is the first year where his defense hasn’t improved from the previous year. Also, 3 of MSU’s 4 TD drives were 30 yards or less. Did I get frustrated with our defense yesterday? Yes. But I still think he’s really, really good.
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Defense was very up and down. We struggled against the run until we loaded the box. They also scored 14 pts and a game ending stand in short yardage against a damn good offense.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Tim Banks doesn't recruit anyone. Good grief. I can't even discuss something so stupid with you
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That’s a great argument you are making that you can’t defend or back up but continue crying about a DC that isn’t very good whether you agree with it or not. He didn’t recruit or develop Pierce and McCoy was a portal addition. His position coaching is likely one of the biggest flaws on the team at safety
 
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landscapingvol said:
I remember when LSU paid him a bunch of money as DC after Tennessee fired which doesn’t exactly prove your point that he wasn’t washed up
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LSU made him the highest paid DC in college at the time. Then A&M lured him away with a raise if I remember correctly. Chavis was a great DC but damnation some of those third and a mile conversions took years off Vol fans lives
 
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landscapingvol said:
Awesome hand picked defensive stats:
Tennessee ranks 108th in pts allowed which is by far the most important stat and 76th in 3rd down defense which is probably the 2nd most important stat.
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Yeah OK, but our offense is 3rd in scoring, and you know they are on the field far less than the defense. That being said, we have had 2 real tests in our season so far. Arky is a wounded animal, so we best not be looking past them, but it SHOULD be a lopsided VOL win.
 
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landscapingvol said:
That’s a great argument you are making that you can’t defend or back up but continue crying about a DC that isn’t very good whether you agree with it or not. He didn’t recruit or develop Pierce and McCoy was a portal addition. His position coaching is likely one of the biggest flaws on the team at safety
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You literally think Banks has no hand in reciting anyone. Sorry that is dumb. I'm sure he hands those duties off to some random assistant and hopes they get someone good
 
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Banks was brought in to be a turnover focused defense was he not? Yards be damned, if they score so be it, but give us a few turnovers so the offense can go back out there. Maybe I'm mis-remembering the defensive philosophy CJH wanted to pair his offense to.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
You actually watched the game, I think we have some that look at the score and make wild judgements. All but 1 touchdown came on short field drives. Yes there rushing attack is good, but like you said our D had 5 sacks and 2 touchdowns and we stepped up against their running game down the stretch. That you for your common sense logic post, it’s refreshing around here. GBO
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Appreciate that. Oddly enough, I was busy taking my kids around to their sports so I ended up listening to 75% of it on the radio and watching some on YouTube. In any case, even hearing it on the radio it wasn’t rocket science that we gave them a 35 yard field or less after three mistakes, all of which they scored on. We basically gifted them 21 points.

When your defense comes out red hot, gets a three and out and quiets the crowd you can’t make a special teams mistake to give them 7 points. Special teams were directly responsible for a 10 point swing between the muffed punt and the missed FG. Miss State had one substantial drive. The defense did good enough to get the win and the goal line stand in overtime was straight gut check.

The nice part is this is a growing opportunity for the team. It shows that you can play average, on the road against a good opponent and still find a way to win.
 
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Mid Tenn Vol said:
He’s far from the worst and I get agitated with him but to be fair he doesn’t really have all the pieces this year. We desperately need atleast one of our corners back. We are very very fortunate that miss st player dropped the walk in Td. Teams are going to continue to exploit that this season.
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In fairness, we dropped a walk in TD as well
 
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theFallGuy said:
fIrE bAnKs!

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109th - Points Allowed per Game
81st - Yards Allowed per game
113th - Passing Yards Allowed per Game
91st - Redzone Defense
38th - Rushing Defense

His numbers are not that great! "But they are skewed because of our up-tempo" Maybe, but they shouldn't be as skewed as this. This is bad defense. Not saying go and fire him, but the criticism is warranted.
 
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landscapingvol said:
Tim Banks has absolutely nothing to do with the pass rush. He doesn’t coach them and he didn’t recruit them so I am not sure what point you are attempting to make unless you believe the DC tells them when to sack someone lol
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Yeah the coordinator has nothing to do with the pass rush... Ok crazy person
 
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IMO, Banks receives a lot of unnecessary criticism. Last year's D was elite. And we lost a lot of key pieces up front. Right now we have a DL that is still elite at pass rush, but hasn't quite gotten there in disrupting the run. MSU putting up 200+ is not a good look. We're still hurting for depth and quality in the secondary. If we can get McCoy back maybe we can play an extra LB instead of a nickel back or move a safety up in run support. But hopefully with some growth the front four simply gets better against the run.
 
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aRmo said:
109th - Points Allowed per Game
81st - Yards Allowed per game
113th - Passing Yards Allowed per Game
91st - Redzone Defense
38th - Rushing Defense

His numbers are not that great! "But they are skewed because of our up-tempo" Maybe, but they shouldn't be as skewed as this. This is bad defense. Not saying go and fire him, but the criticism is warranted.
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Some of it is skewed by the fact that we had a huge lead in 2 games and emptied the bench in the second half of them games. Yes we have had some lapses on D but it is skewed quite a bit. Had we kept starters in the game in those blowouts the stats would not be that bad. Maybe not super but nowhere near as bad. But going to the bench in them situations was exactly the right thing to do.GBO
 
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UT97Vol said:
IMO, Banks receives a lot of unnecessary criticism. Last year's D was elite. And we lost a lot of key pieces up front. Right now we have a DL that is still elite at pass rush, but hasn't quite gotten there in disrupting the run. MSU putting up 200+ is not a good look. We're still hurting for depth and quality in the secondary. If we can get McCoy back maybe we can play an extra LB instead of a nickel back or move a safety up in run support. But hopefully with some growth the front four simply gets better against the run.
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Yeah we’ve got a lot of young guys on defense who are having to step up and make an impact earlier maybe than expected.

I had a feeling we’d take a step back defensively. Last year’s unit was elite. But we need our defense to continue to be opportunistic. Turnovers, TFLs, sacks looks like the calling card.

Would love to get McCoy back but really proud of the way we compete despite some head scratching mistakes at times.
 
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aRmo said:
109th - Points Allowed per Game
81st - Yards Allowed per game
113th - Passing Yards Allowed per Game
91st - Redzone Defense
38th - Rushing Defense

His numbers are not that great! "But they are skewed because of our up-tempo" Maybe, but they shouldn't be as skewed as this. This is bad defense. Not saying go and fire him, but the criticism is warranted.
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I'm not in any way suggesting we have an incredible defense or don't need to improve some things. Point is trying to fire Tim Banks is not the solution. He's proven he can put together a solid defense. But it's a new year and we have a new set of people.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
Most of the criticism is fair and part of the business when you work at a place like Tennessee, but let’s not lose sight of the big picture.

This is the first year where his defense hasn’t improved from the previous year. Also, 3 of MSU’s 4 TD drives were 30 yards or less. Did I get frustrated with our defense yesterday? Yes. But I still think he’s really, really good.
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Banks is the reason we went to the playoffs last year. He kept us in games when our offense couldn't score
 
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aRmo said:
109th - Points Allowed per Game
81st - Yards Allowed per game
113th - Passing Yards Allowed per Game
91st - Redzone Defense
38th - Rushing Defense

His numbers are not that great! "But they are skewed because of our up-tempo" Maybe, but they shouldn't be as skewed as this. This is bad defense. Not saying go and fire him, but the criticism is warranted.
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And yet, I can refute that with this:

Tennessee's defense is dead last in opponent's plays per game. Tennessee's offense is 132nd in time of possession. The defense has been on the field for an average of 86 plays per game.

Yet...they are 28th in yards per play.

We have to do a better job getting off the field on 3rd and 4th down. We have to do a better job of creating negative run plays for the opponent. Despite all of that, we are creating havoc. Which is what we need.
 
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