Through 60 games

[BernardKingGOAT]

I don't disagree with your first point in the slightest. However, ask yourself this question: If option B was not a Tennessee All-American named Johnny Majors, would you have offered him the job at Tennessee if his credentials then were 6-14 at Iowa State? 'tis all about context.

I don't know. That's pure speculation.

 

[MontyPython]

Josh Heupel is the 8th coach in Tennessee Football history to coach 60 games. Here is every Tennessee Football coach’s record through 60 games.

Note: Heupel has now coached 64 games at UT with a record of 45-19

1. Robert Neyland: 54-2-4

2. Philip Fulmer: 49–10-1

3. Bill Battle: 46-12-2

T4: Doug Dickey: 43-13-4

T4: Josh Heupel: 43-17

6. Bowden Wyatt: 40-17-3

7. Butch Jones: 34-26

8. Johnny Majors: 30-29-1

In all fairness, CJH inherited a really depleted team and a program he had to altogether rebuild.

 

[njvols]

Battle was very bad. Nice guy though.

Those Bama implants!!!...Battle, Dooley, Pruitt.

 

[njvols]

Majors is always talked highly of and yet barely a .500 coach. Surprised to see his record. Obviously he played for UT and was a great player as well.

Majors had a few things in his favor. UT legacy. National Championship at Pitt. Coaches were given 4-5 years window, as opposed to 2-3 years now, and just as importantly, he was a passionate "old school" salesman, with many ties to the media and in UT to protect his back. I remember about 3-4 years in, Keith Jackson, and others talking about how he was building the program the right way. Ultimately, he won 3 SEC championships, so, I'm glad we had patience then, which doesn't exist today.

 

[Unconditional Surrender]

Heupel is better than Battle and Dickey.

He’s not better than Dickey. Come on.

 

[Rickyvol77]

He’s not better than Dickey. Come on.

I'd say they are very similar, arguments could be made for both. the only difference is Dickey won the SEC and sort of a NC, but eras were a LOT different to coach in too

Neyland is a class by himself
Fulmer is next due to his overall record and success
Majors was inconsistent at times, but his overall wins and multiple SEC titles matter
Barnhill, Heupel, Dickey all great in their own way

Battle, Wyatt, Bender had some success but not like the others mentioned

 

[perico]

Those Bama implants!!!...Battle, Dooley, Pruitt.

Dooley coached at Bama but he’s a UGA boy. Don’t think he coached at Bama under Saban before taking the LA Tech job, where we.,, found him languishing… He was at LSU with Saban. He may have spent a year at Bama with Saban before (my memory is fuzzy on that), but I am pretty sure he had been at Louisiana Tech a full 3 seasons before we hired him.

Either way, Dooley is no Bammer. He likes to bark at people in public.

 

[CAVPUT]

Battle was very bad. Nice guy though.

He found his niche tho. Heckuva career after leaving coaching.

 

[CAVPUT]

Josh is doing fine

Well, Heupel is closer to Butch on that list than he is to Fulmer. Just sayin'.

 

[perico]

Well, Heupel is closer to Butch on that list than he is to Fulmer. Just sayin'.

Nobody is going to have the type of success Fulmer did in his first 10 years unless they walked into a situation that had the pieces already in place for sustained success.

We, or the UT administration/Hamilton/Hart allowed the program to erode into a worse place than it was when Majors took over from Battle, and it took Johnny years to even build a team comparable to a Butch Jones era squad..

 

[Sarms58]

In all fairness, CJH inherited a really depleted team and a program he had to altogether rebuild.

Very true…but he is also coaching in the era of the transfer portal and that can help rebuild a roster faster than back in the days of only being able to add HS kids and JUCO transfers. Every coach inherits a different roster and is competing in a different setting.

I’m happy with what Heupel has done so far but expect better seasons than this past year. Glad to see he made some changes and hope we see better performance next year.

 

[LWSVOL]

I don't disagree with your first point in the slightest. However, ask yourself this question: If option B was not a Tennessee All-American named Johnny Majors, would you have offered him the job at Tennessee if his credentials then were 6-14 at Iowa State? 'tis all about context.

its just mu opinion but he would have been great at that time. Roster was loaded and his staff was loaded.. they were great recruiters. Built the Pitt roster that won it all. JMO off course

 

[2GeeZ4VolZ]

Well, Heupel is closer to Butch on that list than he is to Fulmer. Just sayin'.

On that list? He LITERALLY is not. Unless you can’t do math. Just sayin is not an argument, by the way. Please, expand on/validate your truly silly statement if you can. I think we’d all like to hear how CJH is more like Lyle than Fulmer. The floor is yours if you dare expose fully your football (perhaps sports in general) ignorance.

 

[LWSVOL]

Iowa State coaches

Cy-onara: Assistant Coaches Climbing the Ranks After ISU

Johnny Majors edition

www.widerightnattylite.com

 

[Sarms58]

Look at Tennessee’s record for the three seasons prior to each coach being hired:

Josh Heupel (Pruitt) 16-19 0.457
Doug Dickey (McDonald/Wyatt ) 15-15 0.500
Johnny Majors (Battle) 20-13-2 0.600
Phil Fulmer (Majors) 27-8-2 0.757
Bill Battle (Dickey) 26-6-1 0.803

 

[Sarms58]

Well, Heupel is closer to Butch on that list than he is to Fulmer. Just sayin'.

Math is hard..

 

[Clad in Big Orange]

None of us will have anything at all to do with Heupel's future. He wins more, he stays more. Simple as that. DW will determine how much is required.

 

[jeff1vol]

Those Bama implants!!!...Battle, Dooley, Pruitt.

Exactly. How many UT coaches have the Gumps hired to coach at Bama? This should NEVER happen, IMO. I hope Pruitt was the last gump mistake this program makes.

 

[njvols]

Dooley coached at Bama but he’s a UGA boy. Don’t think he coached at Bama under Saban before taking the LA Tech job, where we.,, found him languishing… He was at LSU with Saban. He may have spent a year at Bama with Saban before (my memory is fuzzy on that), but I am pretty sure he had been at Louisiana Tech a full 3 seasons before we hired him.

Either way, Dooley is no Bammer. He likes to bark at people in public.

Agree he’s obviously an uga guy, but he coached under Saban at lsu, dolphins and analyst at bama

 

[a vol n tears]

Josh Heupel is the 8th coach in Tennessee Football history to coach 60 games. Here is every Tennessee Football coach’s record through 60 games.

Note: Heupel has now coached 64 games at UT with a record of 45-19

1. Robert Neyland: 54-2-4

2. Philip Fulmer: 49–10-1

3. Bill Battle: 46-12-2

T4: Doug Dickey: 43-13-4

T4: Josh Heupel: 43-17

6. Bowden Wyatt: 40-17-3

7. Butch Jones: 34-26

8. Johnny Majors: 30-29-1

Anybody before Fulmer was coaching in totally different eras than today. It will take a few seasons to fully understand the best coaches of today. An excellent coach today may not show it because of less money in the program. An average coach may win lots of games because they have all the money for facilities and players. It’s the close games that show your coaching ability.
Stop looking at total wins and look at conference wins. Everyone in the SEC has had 3 or 4 wins per year built into their schedule against lesser schools.

 

[BigorangeBoy]

its just mu opinion but he would have been great at that time. Roster was loaded and his staff was loaded.. they were great recruiters. Built the Pitt roster that won it all. JMO off course

No, you are right. Woodruff shoehorned a 28 year old WR coach into the head coaching job, and he was never ready for the spotlight. Part of Majors’ reason being barely above .500 was that he was rebuilding programs, and it took him much longer at UT than people thought it would. My biggest criticism of him was that he was ultra conservative on offense, he was also very hard to work for.

 

[AlsaceFreak]

One of Fulmer’s greatest accomplishments thats not represented in his win/ loss percentage was recruiting Peyton Manning. I saw a list of the Greatest SEC Football legends and Manning is the only player in the top of that list that did not play for a college in their home state ( Hershel, Bo Jackson, Tebow).
Having Peyton Manning as an ambassador for Tennessee Football is priceless.

The fame Manning has achieved is really unmatched. The SNL 50 year Anniversary show was indicative of this when they asked 10 guests to standup and be part of the live skit. All of them were hand picked for the segment. Manning was chosen alongside some of the top actors in the world, top singers including a Knighted Famous Rolling Stones Keith Richards and other worldly people.

 

[Sarms58]

No, you are right. Woodruff shoehorned a 28 year old WR coach into the head coaching job, and he was never ready for the spotlight. Part of Majors’ reason being barely above .500 was that he was rebuilding programs, and it took him much longer at UT than people thought it would. My biggest criticism of him was that he was ultra conservative on offense, he was also very hard to work for.

And maybe recruiting wasn’t his strength…I believe the recruiting rules changed about the time he came to Tennessee

 

[iuvol]

Josh is doing fine

I agree. He inherited a mess.

 

[Hairy Vols]

Josh Heupel is the 8th coach in Tennessee Football history to coach 60 games. Here is every Tennessee Football coach’s record through 60 games.

Note: Heupel has now coached 64 games at UT with a record of 45-19

1. Robert Neyland: 54-2-4

2. Philip Fulmer: 49–10-1

3. Bill Battle: 46-12-2

T4: Doug Dickey: 43-13-4

T4: Josh Heupel: 43-17

6. Bowden Wyatt: 40-17-3

7. Butch Jones: 34-26

8. Johnny Majors: 30-29-1

If we never fire Bill Battle, Bama never hires Saban. We laid our own groundwork for those beatdowns lol. But to be fair if he stayed around we would of been a bottom feeder forever.