Three pointers percentage NCAA team rankings

[Voluble2]

Eloquent.

I see alot of “sticky” where rather than pass and generate motion off ball, we spend way too much time on the perimeter dribbling. Nothing is sweeter than seeing the ball swing three or four quick passes for a bucket, be it at the arc or inside. It seems we are assist averse

Barker is guilty of this, and being tall her handle is easy to exploit when she spends too long dribbling. Cooper was guilty of that last year but seems to be much better this year.

We also drive into the paint too often without passing it back out when nothing is there. Players need to do a better job of presenting themselves to the driver as the defense is drawn to the person with the ball. Too often we just put our heads down and don't look up until we are stuck with no one flashing open for relief, or we force up a bad shot without even looking for an outlet. The kick back out is where you get your more high percentage threes. And we should be able to sneak behind the defense more since they are swarming whoever drives in. But no one cuts, and no one looks for them.

Rebounding is another sore spot. I was pointing out to my daughter how Pauldo is the only player who seems to consistently get good rebound position. She is just too short to get the numbers her positioning should earn from her effort. Latham seems to fight for position as well. The rest are very inconsistent and some of it is from not knowing when to crash the boards because no one knows when a shot is coming. A Horston like rebounder would do this team a world of good.

I don't think our shot selection is always that bad. I think we are just overanxious a lot. You know that panicked look horses get where their eyes almost roll? One of our players had that at the free throw line early in the game. Then later she was settled down. Kim was obviously wound tight as well and I think she needs to exude what the team needs to see rather than reflect what it feels sometimes. If not her then someone needs to lead on the emotional front. That might come when roles are better defined.

 

[Volfan2012]

Were going to start winning a lot of games if the shooting percentages go up. You need to have to great a separation in shots attempted to win games shooting 40 percent. A ten shot separation shooting 45 percent and no separation of foul shot attempts given you get 70 attempts to their 60 makes them need to shoot 53 percent to win the game. If you ever shoot 50 percent in that scenario then they have to reach 60 percent.
Our definite problem right now is shooting the ball. I see this month where we only have three games on the schedule as the time where we should take a huge step forward. We should be able to define much better shot selection and also should be able to better perfect our team defensively.

I think it is a huge month for us to get a lot better and improve our chances for a top four finish in the SEC even with our horrid SEC road schedule.

 

[LV renaissance]

Yes, if you are only looking at the results of shot attempts rather than possessions. And I felt admit the article I cited seems, from what we can tell, to be talking about individual shots for individual players, although in not 100% sure of that.

But, from a what helps the team win standpoint, it may be different. For example, if the team rebounds 40% of 3pa but only 15% of 2pa, then the analysis changes. Plus there's the effect on pace of the game if you run a lot of clock on a lot of possession trying to get a shot at the rim. Plus turnovers on entry passes. And maybe other things. It gets complicated. Moneyball was not obvious. That's why it was powerful.

All that said, the most exciting thing is that this seems to be helping our players get better. I just love that. The boost for Talaysia I is so cool given how good she already was!

I really hate posting something from AI, but my research could only find this entry. It suggests close shots are the easiest to rebound, three-pointers are harder due to the weird bounces, and longish mid-range jumpers are the worst. It kind of makes sense, though it really could matter if the team is guard oriented like ours or it plays through dominant bigs like many of Pat's and Dawn's teams. Put it this way, people like Angel, Glory, and Boston could easily rebound their own missed shots but probably hardly ever get three-point shot rebounds, whereas some quick guard who are already away from the goal can probably track the three-point ball off the rim and be able to get to it. I would love to see the actual stats for our team.
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[RetroVol]

Put it this way, people like Angel, Glory, and Boston could easily rebound their own missed shots but probably hardly ever get three-point shot rebounds, whereas some quick guard who are already away from the goal can probably track the three-point ball off the rim and be able to get to it.

That makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[mudcat1973]

Rank # games played 3 pointers %
1 LSU 8 3-pointers 44.36%
5 Missouri 9 3 pointers 40.43%
26 South Carolina 8 3-pointers 37.74%
27 Alabama 8 3-pointers 37.72
33 Vanderbilt 8 3-pointers 36.79
35 Texas 8 3-pointers 36.73%
41 Arkansas 9 3-pointers 36.32%
43 Georgia 9 3-pointers 36.31%
46 Mississippi state 8 3-pointers 36.15%
114 Oklahoma 8 3-pointers 32.63%
119 Kentucky 9 3-pointers 32.32%
186 Old Miss 7 3-pointers 30.26%
205 Auburn 9 3-pointers 29.53%
208 Tennessee 7 3-pointers 29.41%
226 Texas A&M 6 3-pointers 28.81%
309 Florida 9 3-pointers 25.61%
Last update Wednesday December 03 6:12 am
Games through December 02 Tuesday

Rank# games played 3 pointer's % last week%
#1Lsu 10. 43.04% 44.36%
#3South Carolina. 10 41.26%. 37.74%
#7 Missouri. 11 40.38. 40.43%
33 Alabama. 10. 36.84%. 37.72%
#36 Vanderbilt. 9. 36.60%. 36.79%
#42 Arkansas. 11 36.15%. 36.32%
#45 Georgia. 10. 35.94%. 36.31%
#62 Mississippi state 10. 34.88%. 36.15%
#72 Texas. 10. 34.45%. 36.73%
#145 Kentucky. 11. 31.07% 32.32%
#153 Oklahoma. 10 30.96%. 32.63%
#197 Auburn. 10. 29.75%. 29.53%
#225 Texas A&M. 7. 28.91% 28.81%
#244 Tennessee. 8 28.41%. 29.41%
#275 Old Miss. 9. 27.54%. 30.26%
#299 Florida. 11. 26.53%. 25.61%
Last update Wednesday December 10 6:12 a.m.

 

[knoxvol52]

Rank# games played 3 pointer's % last week%
#1Lsu 10. 43.04% 44.36%
#3South Carolina. 10 41.26%. 37.74%
#7 Missouri. 11 40.38. 40.43%
33 Alabama. 10. 36.84%. 37.72%
#36 Vanderbilt. 9. 36.60%. 36.79%
#42 Arkansas. 11 36.15%. 36.32%
#45 Georgia. 10. 35.94%. 36.31%
#62 Mississippi state 10. 34.88%. 36.15%
#72 Texas. 10. 34.45%. 36.73%
#145 Kentucky. 11. 31.07% 32.32%
#153 Oklahoma. 10 30.96%. 32.63%
#197 Auburn. 10. 29.75%. 29.53%
#225 Texas A&M. 7. 28.91% 28.81%
#244 Tennessee. 8 28.41%. 29.41%
#275 Old Miss. 9. 27.54%. 30.26%
#299 Florida. 11. 26.53%. 25.61%
Last update Wednesday December 10 6:12 a.m.

Woo,hoo less than 30% .. let's jack up 30 more 3's per game..

 

[Golfteacher]

Which is kind of incredible given the amount of time and effort given to the analytics of shot selection we’ve just been told about.

There’s been a disconnect all season between the coaching staffs’ stated offensive goals and plans and the product that ends up on the floor. Coming up with a plan is easy, implementing it is hard.

The best laid plans of mice and men, in this case women. I believe part of the problem is that many basketball players are not use to CKC’s style of play and those who were not there last year are having a difficult time adjusting. That is especially on offense. Some teams use a similar style of defense. However, this offense is is predicated largely on putting up more shots than your opponent. Unfortunately, we are putting up a ton of 3 point bricks. Hopefully, with a little time off, they have found a resolution.’

 

[mudcat1973]

Rank # games played 3 pointers %
1 LSU 8 3-pointers 44.36%
5 Missouri 9 3 pointers 40.43%
26 South Carolina 8 3-pointers 37.74%
27 Alabama 8 3-pointers 37.72
33 Vanderbilt 8 3-pointers 36.79
35 Texas 8 3-pointers 36.73%
41 Arkansas 9 3-pointers 36.32%
43 Georgia 9 3-pointers 36.31%
46 Mississippi state 8 3-pointers 36.15%
114 Oklahoma 8 3-pointers 32.63%
119 Kentucky 9 3-pointers 32.32%
186 Old Miss 7 3-pointers 30.26%
205 Auburn 9 3-pointers 29.53%
208 Tennessee 7 3-pointers 29.41%
226 Texas A&M 6 3-pointers 28.81%
309 Florida 9 3-pointers 25.61%
Last update Wednesday December 03 6:12 am
Games through December 02 Tuesday

Rank games played 3 pts made 3 pointer's %
#1. . LSU...................12...............77...........41.62%
#7.... South Carolina.11...............65..........39.63%
#12... Missouri..........13...............104........38.95%
#27... Georgia............11...............77..........37.20%
#31.... Alabama..........13...............103.......37.05%
#37....Texas................13...............56..........36.28%
#42.... Vanderbilt........10................98.........36.03%
#43..Mississippi state 12................73........35.96%
#66..... Arkansas..........13...............106.......34.87%
#109...Arburn................12................64........32.82%
#133... Oklahom............12................90........32.03%
#169... Kentucky............12................104......30.59%
#202.... Tennessee.........9...................91.......29.74%
#244...... OLD Miss.........12.................74.......28.46%
#255...... Texas A&M.......8...................43.......28.29%
#311....... Florida..............13.................61.......26.18%
Last update December 18
Games through December 17
Including 3-pointers made per team this time...

 

[LadyVolsDiehard]

Can I say the difference between this year's team and last year's team when hitting the 3 were we truly snipers. Spears and Spencer and even T. Darby had the fixed ability to hit the 3 with confidence and consistency. If you look at a lot of the games we lost by 5, 7, 8 points it was because Spears, mostly, could shoot us back into a game when things seemed blink and out of reach, so I always felt good about last year's squad their in perimeter shooting.

This year's squad, they have shown me enough in the first part of the season the perimeter shooting isn't their friend. If they gonna take them make sure the ball movement and spacing is solid. I recognized when Nya hits her 3s they look great but when she doesn't have the right about space on the floor she won't attempt or she can shy away from the opportunity. It's like a mix of basketball IQ and hesitation clashing. I dread when Zee takes 3s this year. She has gotten better not attempting so many like she did in the game where she went 1/7 (someone tell me the team who she did this against). But Zee has probably taken the first or second attempts this year she's only making 22% where last season she was 30%. Was it because due to her size a lot of teams dared her to take it and/or did she benefit having other long range shooters that it gave her confidence...

 

[mudcat1973]

Rank Team 3-pts-made 3ts%
1 Michigan state.......114 40.86%
4 LSU..........................81 ,,40.30%
8 Missouri...................119,,39.02%
15 South Carolina........75,,38.07%
20 Georgia....................96,,37.65%
29 Vanderbilt.................122,,36.86%
34 Alabama....................111,,36.63%
43 Mississippi state.......80,,,,35.71%
44 Texas...........................166,,,35.54%
84 Arkansas.....................110,,,33.74%
94 Oklahoma....................104,,,33.44%
149 Kentucky....................119,,,31.40%
158 Auburn........................68,,,,,,31.19%
180 Tennessee...................115,,,30.34%
221 Texas A&M...................50,,,,,29.24%
276 Old Miss.........................78,,,,27.57%
315 Florida............................65,,,,,,,,26.10%
Tennessee busted top 200 @chuckiepoo
Last update December 23
Games through Monday December 22

 

[Volfan2012]

Were on the rise in three point shooting a lot less tries by players that aren't good three point shooters and more by players that are our best three shooters. If that continues I can see us rise to 32 to 34 percent. We went 32.5 percent last season I can see us ending up there again.

 

[RetroVol]

Were on the rise in three point shooting a lot less tries by players that aren't good three point shooters and more by players that are our best three shooters. If that continues I can see us rise to 32 to 34 percent. We went 32.5 percent last season I can see us ending up there again.

I'm reposting this from another thread so that folks who find this forum or are infrequent visitors and are interested in this topic will see some data to back up your prediction @Volfan2012.

I've really been worried about the 3 pt shooting we lost last year as I think this is a key part of Kim's system. Her teams have always shot a lot of 3s and Spear, Spencer, and Darby accounted for more than half of our attempts and makes last year at over 36%.

But, let's look at the data.

Pauldo, Mia, 23 of 65, 35.4%
Robertson, 27 of 77, 35.1%
Janiah, 15 for 41, 34.1%
Cooper, 19 for 61, 31.1%
Spearman, 12 for 48, 25%

Spearman went 1 for 6 vs. Belmont and 1 for 7 against Middle Tennessee, but since then she's 5 for 16 (31.3%) over the last five games, including 3 for 8 vs. Louisville. She was 30% last year. Cooper is ahead of her 24-25 rate of 26.7%. No other players have more than 18 attempts, but this suggests that we are improving and that Kim can develop 3pt shooters.

Find the good shots, ladies, then bombs away!

 

[Volfan2012]

I'm reposting this from another thread so that folks who find this forum or are infrequent visitors and are interested in this topic will see some data to back up your prediction @Volfan2012.

I've really been worried about the 3 pt shooting we lost last year as I think this is a key part of Kim's system. Her teams have always shot a lot of 3s and Spear, Spencer, and Darby accounted for more than half of our attempts and makes last year at over 36%.

But, let's look at the data.

Pauldo, Mia, 23 of 65, 35.4%
Robertson, 27 of 77, 35.1%
Janiah, 15 for 41, 34.1%
Cooper, 19 for 61, 31.1%
Spearman, 12 for 48, 25%

Spearman went 1 for 6 vs. Belmont and 1 for 7 against Middle Tennessee, but since then she's 5 for 16 (31.3%) over the last five games, including 3 for 8 vs. Louisville. She was 30% last year. Cooper is ahead of her 24-25 rate of 26.7%. No other players have more than 18 attempts, but this suggests that we are improving and that Kim can develop 3pt shooters.

Find the good shots, ladies, then bombs away!

Last year Spencer, Darby, and Spear took 53 percent of our three point shots. This year Pauldo, Robertson, and Barker have taken 49 percent of the threes for this season. Last three games those three players have made 24 of 60 for 40 percent. If they keep taking 20 plus a game and keep making at least 35 percent we should see our efficiency at the three continue to rise. I'd really like to see them take around 25 of the 34 a game we have been averaging. 32.5 percent overall last year and 30.3 this season. We can match that 32.5 I believe with the right players taking most of the threes.

Still with all the talk about three point shooting I think our fortunes only rise with better defense and rebounding. Were more than likely losing a game where we give up more than 80 points. Being able to hold a team to around 70 gives us a huge chance to win.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Last year Spencer, Darby, and Spear took 53 percent of our three point shots. This year Pauldo, Robertson, and Barker have taken 49 percent of the threes for this season. Last three games those three players have made 24 of 60 for 40 percent. If they keep taking 20 plus a game and keep making at least 35 percent we should see our efficiency at the three continue to rise. I'd really like to see them take around 25 of the 34 a game we have been averaging. 32.5 percent overall last year and 30.3 this season. We can match that 32.5 I believe with the right players taking most of the threes.

Still with all the talk about three point shooting I think our fortunes only rise with better defense and rebounding. Were more than likely losing a game where we give up more than 80 points. Being able to hold a team to around 70 gives us a huge chance to win.

There may also be sharpshooters lurking on the bench…

 

[LadyVolsDiehard]

There may also be sharpshooters lurking on the bench…

True, but if we're talking about My.Paul and Hurst they don't see the floor because JW gets 10-13 minutes a contest.

 

[chuckiepoo]

True, but if we're talking about My.Paul and Hurst they don't see the floor because JW gets 10-13 minutes a contest.

Yer digging what I’m putting down…

 

[mudcat1973]

Yer digging what I’m putting down…

If JW is Tennessee tallest girl.
Games I fous on Vols big girl .
She flop a few times with little or contact.
Official in that wasn't buying what she was trying to sell.
That was against shorter opponent who boxer her out for the rebounds.
Don't see her matching up well with bigs her size in the SEC play.
Ether give spearmen or someone else her minutes.

 

[LadyVolsDiehard]

Don't see her matching up well with bigs her size in the SEC play.
Ether give spearmen or someone else her minutes.

I mean CKC already has Spearman starting most of the games and all Spearman has done with her minutes is focus on perimeter shooting like she's Antoine Walker. She doesn't do anything else when it comes to her faceup game nor adding traditional post moves to her game. And let's not forget last year while Spearman was good the second half of the season, she got her tail handed back to her in conference play because the size and skill of most posts got to her. Spearman and Barker are both 6'4 but I still worry about them in post defense yet Barker has shown she can do it at times and Spearman shy away from it because it's intimidating. I hope I'm making sense.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I mean CKC already has Spearman starting most of the games and all Spearman has done with her minutes is focus on perimeter shooting like she's Antoine Walker. She doesn't do anything else when it comes to her faceup game nor adding traditional post moves to her game. And let's not forget last year while Spearman was good the second half of the season, she got her tail handed back to her in conference play because the size and skill of most posts got to her. Spearman and Barker are both 6'4 but I still worry about them in post defense yet Barker has shown she can do it at times and Spearman shy away from it because it's intimidating. I hope I'm making sense.

Neither strike me as having a “corn fed” mentality. I’m thinking Audie or Beers here…

 

[LadyVolsDiehard]

Neither strike me as having a “corn fed” mentality. I’m thinking Audie or Beers here…

Of course not yet when An.Morrow, all 5-10 of her, got 21 rebounds against our squad and Spearman only a 6 points and 5 rebounds, room for pause.

 

[creekdipper]

For some of us, it was about what we don’t like about patriarchal society. The fact that it’s only ever women’s coaches whose husbands are on staff, and largely men, like you, who see absolutely nothing wrong with that disparity, is exactly why I never liked it. It had ZERO to do with Jon personally or professionally, and everything to do with how it always falls on female coaches to make sacrifices and concessions in the interest of “making family life easier,” and that, OF COURSE, men like you think that is their responsibility as females. Why are there no husband-wife coaching tandems in the men’s game? Not even one. Ever, as far as I know, and men are not even remotely bothered by that.

Probably for the same reason that there aren't women's head coaches in the men's game whereas five of the top 13 women's teams have male coaches (including the top two teams). The good news for those wanting to see more female coaches is that most or all of the rest of the top 25 are coached by women, and most of the male head coaches are senior citizens with retirement likely not too far off in their future.

 

[mudcat1973]

Probably for the same reason that there aren't women's head coaches in the men's game whereas five of the top 13 women's teams have male coaches (including the top two teams). The good news for those wanting to see more female coaches is that most or all of the rest of the top 25 are coached by women, and most of the male head coaches are senior citizens with retirement likely not too far off in their future.

TCU male seems to know his x and O's.
He doesn't look close to rocking chair age.
And their getting good green backs support or dollars.

Then there Kentucky women's basketball coach
Don't think Kenny is as young as TCU women's basketball coach. But he isn't as old as Vic and Geno.
Kentucky loves and supports men's basketball.
Depending on how much the other XY chromosome people help out with spending money Kentucky women's basketball might start hanging out with in the top 10 of women's basketball..

TCU coach seems to have hornfrogs high in Defense categories in some of the NCAA defense stats. TCU offense flow good to watch.
I seen most of there games.
Big reason Marta Suarez but guy can coach.

There is still some big bullfrogs in the pond.
Seems more right then hen house.
TCU hornfrogs as half my talking points in this story.

 

[mudcat1973]

I mean CKC already has Spearman starting most of the games and all Spearman has done with her minutes is focus on perimeter shooting like she's Antoine Walker. She doesn't do anything else when it comes to her faceup game nor adding traditional post moves to her game. And let's not forget last year while Spearman was good the second half of the season, she got her tail handed back to her in conference play because the size and skill of most posts got to her. Spearman and Barker are both 6'4 but I still worry about them in post defense yet Barker has shown she can do it at times and Spearman shy away from it because it's intimidating. I hope I'm making sense.

Don't think Hurst is going anywhere Tennessee girl .
And My. Paul will stay for a soft more year because of her sister.
But JW minutes could be used more wisely development of two freshman couldn't hurt much worse than JW playing.
They seem to be locked in the little I seen of them.

 

[LadyVolsDiehard]

TCU offense flow good to I watch most of there games.
Big reason Marta Suarez but guy can coach.

The fact Campbell has Marta in a "lottery pick" running at minimum early 2nd round for the WNBA. Oh Shea Butter got Justine probably as a mid-2nd round status too. These were KJH girls before they ran to greener pastures.

But JW minutes could be used more wisely development of two freshman couldn't hurt much worse than JW playing. They seem to be locked in the little I seen of them.

JW is just lazy and definitely a deer in headlights when she plays. I didn't pay attention to her previous two schools when she as at Ark. and LSU but her numbers declines everywhere she goes and can never commits to a system that coach wants her playing. So yeah I'll snatch her minutes. It's part of the discipline that comes with underperforming.

 

[Volfan2012]

Don't think Hurst is going anywhere Tennessee girl .
And My. Paul will stay for a soft more year because of her sister.
But JW minutes could be used more wisely development of two freshman couldn't hurt much worse than JW playing.
They seem to be locked in the little I seen of them.

Both Hurst and Mya have done more in their minutes than Wolfenbarger. Wolfenbarger did go for 6 and 6 in one of the last games, but I wouldn't get to excited about that being the norm. I think would give Hurst the minutes and move Wolfenbarger down the bench with Wynn.