This kid is a winner

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wmcovol said:
Without hand injury, GMac was a 5 star, probably played against better HS competition & was recruited hard by Ala & LSU.

I’m not knocking Brandon at all but simply reminding some of GMac’s ability.
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I Like them both, but GMAC played nowhere near the same competition as Faizon.

Someone earlier in this thread asked about the level of competition in NC....and as a resident I explained that NC is the most underrated and slept on state for producing top tier talent. The residents are aware of it but for some reason no one outside the state is.

Tennessee being able to lock down NC is critical to the success of the program, and have historically done well at doing so.
 

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TopDog4TN said:
I Like them both, but GMAC played nowhere near the same competition as Faizon.

Someone earlier in this thread asked about the level of competition in NC....and as a resident I explained that NC is the most underrated and slept on state for producing top tier talent. The residents are aware of it but for some reason no one outside the state is.

Tennessee being able to lock down NC is critical to the success of the program, and have historically done well at doing so.
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I’ll put the top private school class in Tennessee against any level in NC. Plus BA, Baylor, McCallie play some of the top schools from surrounding states & compete very well.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Not necessarily. People respond differently to teaching styles. I have and have seen others condemned as hopeless. and worse. Then get free from a doubter, toxic, or generally negative teacher/trainer/parent. Whatever, and under someone who actually know how to teach, bloom big time. My personal case was being unorthodox in how I got things done. So got a lot of "You can't." But had attitude of, "If you get the heil out of the way, I'll show you." Other folks have their own learning styles,it takes a master teacher to recognize it, and teach accordingly. Kiffin, say what you want, had that when it came to QBs. And believe certain other position players. Cromdaddy responded to that as he couldn't Fulmerism.
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You just made my exact point. Thanks!
 
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Rocky Top T said:
Merk isn't gonna be here
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Maybe not. Point still stands. Either we bring in a high dollar one year rental at QB while Fazion learns and sits or Fazion is the starter next year. If anything other than 1 of those 2 things happen, he isn't as good as advertised imo.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Maybe not. Point still stands. Either we bring in a high dollar one year rental at QB while Fazion learns and sits or Fazion is the starter next year. If anything other than 1 of those 2 things happen, he isn't as good as advertised imo.
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We will Joey or a portal QB starting next year. Why do you believe Fazion will be better than Gmac? You don't
 
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Rocky Top T said:
We will Joey or a portal QB starting next year. Why do you believe Fazion will be better than Gmac? You don't
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Well GMac was the 17th rated QB in his class according to Rivals. Fazion is 2. GMac was our 3rd string QB this year. So do I believe Fazion is currently better than our 3rd string QB this season? If he's not, he's not as good as advertised. Either way, Fazion isn't going to sit on the bench until his Jr year.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Well GMac was the 17th rated QB in his class according to Rivals. Fazion is 2. GMac was our 3rd string QB this year. So do I believe Fazion is currently better than our 3rd string QB this season? If he's not, he's not as good as advertised. Either way, Fazion isn't going to sit on the bench until his Jr year.
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Don't care about those rankings. Nico and Jackson Arnold were both Highly ranked, those rankings doesn't make them a great QB. I hope Fazion does great down the road, but I don't know and neither do you
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Maybe not. Point still stands. Either we bring in a high dollar one year rental at QB while Fazion learns and sits or Fazion is the starter next year. If anything other than 1 of those 2 things happen, he isn't as good as advertised imo.
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I before z, except after……, well you know the rest.
 
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BenGrimm said:
Just like Nico? Harrison Bailey? Johnathan Crompton?

Look, I’m not trying to throw shade. The guy might end up being awesome. The “experts” think his ceiling is high.

I hope he meets those expectations but history says to slow your roll before anointing them.
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NC football has been good to us through the years.

That said, if we trot a GM or FB out there this year, we're in trouble, imo. Even as 'simple' as people say Heups system is (I have no clue if it is), there is a corollary between experience and success in this system.
 
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feathersax said:
Amazing how so many on VN simply pass over GMAC like he's nothing. I'm excited about him along with the other QBs. CJH & staff have recruited well.
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Honestly, other than his star rating, I know next to nothing... yeah I know...about his skill set. Does he present a legit dual threat or is he your typical pocket qb? If he does run, one would have to see some serious fleshing out of his rail thin frame or this league will break him in two. Look at how this year went with Nico and he wasn't even in the SEC.

I'm sure the kid has skills, but I see him needing another year before taking control of for no other reason than physical development. We need a starting QB from the portal badly.
 
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EZE said:
Heupel has not had a stable QB situation since he got here.

The closest thing he had was Hooker, and he only had him two years.

After that, it’s been one-year stints with Bandaids. Nico was expected to be more, but he didn’t pan out. The fact that we’ve still had competitive to highly competitive teams through that is actually a feature in Heupel’s cap.

I have very high hopes that Brandon will be THAT GUY who elevates this program to another level. Like Peyton.
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But remember even Manning didn't light it up as a freshman. I was there as he had his freshman struggles. Takes time to get up to speed in this league. Rush a kid before he's ready and this league can break them. Arnold for example and there are others.
 
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wmcovol said:
What about Heath Shuler? Casey Clausen? Peyton Manning? Tee Martin? Eric Ainge? Andy Kelly? Not all of the history is bad. Most of it is not.
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I don’t think people put so much stock in the freshmen back then as they do now.

FB may end up winning the Heisman but the hype around him right now isn’t really helpful. Let’s see how he handles being in college and reading SEC defenses.
 
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wmcovol said:
What about Heath Shuler? Casey Clausen? Peyton Manning? Tee Martin? Eric Ainge? Andy Kelly? Not all of the history is bad. Most of it is not.
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I'm not quite sure what your point is.

Of those, I believe only Pay'un and EA played as frosh. I think CC played as a Soph.

Peyton could have been a Soph before he started. I cannot recall:
 
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BenGrimm said:
I don’t think people put so much stock in the freshmen back then as they do now.

FB may end up winning the Heisman but the hype around him right now isn’t really helpful. Let’s see how he handles being in college and reading SEC defenses.
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People wouldn't give it a second's thought if he didnt have five stars and the ranking.

George Macintyre was a five star. He dropped after he declined to attend E11, I believe. He was injured and his team was also complete ass.

Those that say 'well Faizon's a winner, winning translates to success.' Harrison Bailey won a State title, in GA 7A ball.

To me, that's better than even NC ball.

Bottom line is there is so much to QBing, to me, that knows nothing other than what I see from the Samsung. Mental aspect of timing, processing, having an internal clock. Things that Nico Iamaleava didnt possess.

Nico, Jarrett G, John C were all highly regarded. Hell even Worleybird had some offers, he was the Gatorade HS Player of Year in SC😂

Faizon is going to be very good. As is GM.

But, they need to learn, grow, and get bigger.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
People wouldn't give it a second's thought if he didnt have five stars and the ranking.

George Macintyre was a five star. He dropped after he declined to attend E11, I believe. He was injured and his team was also complete ass.

Those that say 'well Faizon's a winner, winning translates to success.' Harrison Bailey won a State title, in GA 7A ball.

To me, that's better than even NC ball.

Bottom line is there is so much to QBing, to me, that knows nothing other than what I see from the Samsung. Mental aspect of timing, processing, having an internal clock. Things that Nico Iamaleava didnt possess.

Nico, Jarrett G, John C were all highly regarded. Hell even Worleybird had some offers, he was the Gatorade HS Player of Year in SC😂

Faizon is going to be very good. As is GM.

But, they need to learn, grow, and get bigger.
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And the biggest thing is not all development is linear and a lot of QBs now who are successful are transfers/older players: Burrow, Daniels, Mendoza, Nix, Penix, Caleb, Ward, Shough to name a few.

I really hope one of GMac or Faizon takes the reins of not only this team/program but also have NFL success. Our best offensive player in Heupel’s tenure is Darnell Wright, who he didn’t recruit and was a 🔝 HS prospect.
 
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MDsweetT said:
And the biggest thing is not all development is linear and a lot of QBs now who are successful are transfers/older players: Burrow, Daniels, Mendoza, Nix, Penix, Caleb, Ward, Shough to name a few.

I really hope one of GMac or Faizon takes the reins of not only this team/program but also have NFL success. Our best offensive player in Heupel’s tenure is Darnell Wright, who he didn’t recruit and was a 🔝 HS prospect.
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That's completely un true. Our best NFL player in Heup's system has been Darnell Wright.

And even that's a stretch. Jaylen Wright had 107 yards vs Jets on Dec 7.

DSamp had a TD last week, and has been used sparingly. Im not doing any more research, but you can go find the others.

Heup has fielded two 3000 yard passers, two #1 offenses, a playoff berth with a check down QB, a Biletnikoff winner, and three 1000 yard receivers.

All that said. His 'best player' is Dylan Sampson, doesnt matter what they do in NFL. Its irrelevant to this discussion.

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  • Key contributor with 2,492 rushing yards, 35 TDs, and 39 receptions over three years.
 
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LittleVol said:
So GMAC had a HS record of 17-12?
Faizon has a 35-1 record in HS.

GMAC still needs to add weight. Brandon is actually fine there, but he will get stronger and faster just from training.

I love the potential of GMAC. He could have led us to a bowl game this season had Aguilar not come to UT.

But Faizon Brandon is a totally different animal.
The kid has an aura of greatness to go along with his elite measurables.

He’s the QB that Heupel has been waiting for.
He’s a stronger, smarter version of Nico as a QB.
He doesn’t have idiot parents that will ruin his future.
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VERY WELL PUT !!!

Blew me away when I saw G-Mac's HS record, but then again it could be great player on a mediocre team.
When I was in HS, we had a pitcher on our baseball team that ended up getting drafted in the 1st round by the Mariners and had a decent big league career...but HS record for the team was barely .500.

G-Mac has a ton of potential and the smarts to go along with that potential., probably more so than any QB we've had recently.
I fear that the S&C program may be hurting him more than helping here...as Papaw would put it, "That boy needs some groceries".

Brandon is definitely THAT guy Heupel has been waiting to arrive.
Already good size, great vision, smart, and makes wise decisions.
Bonus that he WANTS to be here at UT and his family 1000% supports him.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
That's completely un true. Our best NFL player in Heup's system has been Darnell Wright.

And even that's a stretch. Jaylen Wright had 107 yards vs Jets on Dec 7.

DSamp had a TD last week, and has been used sparingly. Im not doing any more research, but you can go find the others.

Heup has fielded two 3000 yard passers, two #1 offenses, a playoff berth with a check down QB, a Biletnikoff winner, and three 1000 yard receivers.

All that said. His 'best player' is Dylan Sampson, doesnt matter what they do in NFL. Its irrelevant to this discussion.

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  • Key contributor with 2,492 rushing yards, 35 TDs, and 39 receptions over three years.
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I love D Samp and hope he keeps developing. I’m not knocking any of our other guys either. Darnell is going to be a Pro Bowl right tackle who’s going to get a massive contract. I was speaking on NfL because it gives recruits a proof of concept of where they can go.

If you’re a WR, would you rather go to LSU, Ohio State or Tennessee 🤔 I love our kids and who we have. But those other 2 schools have produced more first rounders in the last 5-6 years than we have ever.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
I'm not quite sure what your point is.

Of those, I believe only Pay'un and EA played as frosh. I think CC played as a Soph.

Peyton could have been a Soph before he started. I cannot recall:
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I dont know WTF your point is? Peyton, Clausen & Ainge all started as freshmen. Look it up. You need tested for dementia or ignorance.

Just cause someone doesn’t start as a freshman doesn’t mean they’re not a great QB for Tennessee.

My advice is if you “don’t recall” just STFU before you criticize.
 
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