Third Quarter Woes

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chuckiepoo said:
Lie? How about coach speak? 🗣️
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Hmm could be but I'm not sure I've ever heard Coach speak blaming tired legs for a late season collapse. But could be
StorrsCentral said:
Maybe some of the assistants are thinking about getting out of Dodge themselves at this point. I believe the non-Marshall assistants may be as perplexed as all of us are with what is going on. Are there any interviews with them or is Kim keeping the assistants as well as the players away from the media?
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Gabe has been mentioned for some head coaching jobs, ironically one being TAM which he probably just helped ensure will not be open.
 
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glv98 said:
Valid point but incomplete. Next job for the coach is to tell them where they’re falling short of the game plan and what they need to do differently to fulfill it. Present alternatives.

Could the problem with third quarters be that halftime is too much rest? They’re conditioned for the short bursts and short rest. Maybe muscles and reflexs get too cold. Not sure what you could do about that.

fatigue might be a factor in some of the problematic things we’re seeing. It was a problem at this point last year.Maybe lapses are bc they’re dog tired and zone out not bc they dgaf?
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You are really grasping for straws about the halftime rest being a problem. That is a time to re-group and rest up, hydrate, and make adjustments for the remainder of the game. If anyone thinks that the short bursts and short rest make them able to stay fresh all game you do not watch the games. In the fourth quarter they look gassed while most of the other teams look fresher. With all she is trying to do its possible to be mentally drained in the fourth. Just go out and play basketball without worrying about when to jump in and jump out of the game. Geez, just play basketball.
 
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StorrsCentral said:
You are really grasping for straws about the halftime rest being a problem. That is a time to re-group and rest up, hydrate, and make adjustments for the remainder of the game. If anyone thinks that the short bursts and short rest make them able to stay fresh all game you do not watch the games. In the fourth quarter they look gassed while most of the other teams look fresher. With all she is trying to do its possible to be mentally drained in the fourth. Just go out and play basketball without worrying about when to jump in and jump out of the game. Geez, just play basketball.
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But we play a lot better in the fourth than we do in the third. So, it seems like they are either losing focus/intensity at halftime or we are making crappy adjustments or the players struggle to implement good halftime adjustments.

Wasn't there one season a Josh Heupel team was a suck fest in the third quarter?
 
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Couple of thoughts. I keep hearing that the system worked at Marshall. As I recall yes it did —in their conference. Can someone remind me what happened when they played in the tournament against an ACC team? So the system working at Glenville State and Marshall does not compare to working in the SEC. Sorry.

Another thought. I hate what NIL has done as much as the next person BUT for those who want to carry on and on about players are getting the money regardless of effort and results, they aren’t as motivated, etc…couldn’t the same be said for coaches?

At lower levels the pay is minimal compared to that million a year CKC is making, win or lose. And if fired hey big buy-out. (I always say why do they football coaches care about being fired besides their ego—be good enough to get one big contract and you should be set for life if you don’t blow the money , even if you are a complete failure at your job).

If people can be so sure the players have been tainted by NIL, what about the coaches who finally hit the big contract? Coach Kim could retire in her 30s if UT paid her buy-out and she wanted to be a stay at home mom. She is under a microscope now and probably extremely stressed but win or lose she gets the big paycheck. Hmmm…just like those “lazy” D1 players. Food for thought.
 
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Chipperbones said:
Couple of thoughts. I keep hearing that the system worked at Marshall. As I recall yes it did —in their conference. Can someone remind me what happened when they played in the tournament against an ACC team? So the system working at Glenville State and Marshall does not compare to working in the SEC. Sorry.

Another thought. I hate what NIL has done as much as the next person BUT for those who want to carry on and on about players are getting the money regardless of effort and results, they aren’t as motivated, etc…couldn’t the same be said for coaches?

At lower levels the pay is minimal compared to that million a year CKC is making, win or lose. And if fired hey big buy-out. (I always say why do they football coaches care about being fired besides their ego—be good enough to get one big contract and you should be set for life if you don’t blow the money , even if you are a complete failure at your job).

If people can be so sure the players have been tainted by NIL, what about the coaches who finally hit the big contract? Coach Kim could retire in her 30s if UT paid her buy-out and she wanted to be a stay at home mom. She is under a microscope now and probably extremely stressed but win or lose she gets the big paycheck. Hmmm…just like those “lazy” D1 players. Food for thought.
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As Mudcat keeps pointing out, Caldwell's buyout drops to $2 million April 1. Not chicken feed, but not life changing, either, after taxes. She has a pretty expensive house in Gettysvue to make payments on, too.
 
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I suspect the main reason the Lady Vols sometimes struggle in the third quarter is because the coaching staffs of the opposing teams make successful adjustments at halftime and it often takes until the fourth quarter for us to adjust to those adjustments.

We’re not exactly known for making noticeable adjustments of our own at halftime.
 
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lvocd said:
I suspect the main reason the Lady Vols sometimes struggle in the third quarter is because the coaching staffs of the opposing teams make successful adjustments at halftime and it often takes until the fourth quarter for us to adjust to those adjustments.

We’re not exactly known for making noticeable adjustments of our own at halftime.
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Without question. Kim has been asked many times in post game pressers what her halftime adjustments were. The answer is inevitably to stick to the game plan. As madtowne likes to say, if only they'd run into that brick wall a little harder.

I have a friend who says the only in game adjustments CKC makes is how to fold her arms across her chest.
 
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37620VOL said:
Help me out, brother
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The sum of +1 +1 +2 -4 I think is zero; not the 5 listed in the total column

BTW. I agree with your premise. The good teams come out gangbusters in the first 4 minutes of the 3rd. To continually lose the 3rd is indicative of , not poor coaching, but of a staff that doesn't have a clue.
 
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NeedOrange said:
The sum of +1 +1 +2 -4 I think is zero; not the 5 listed in the total column

BTW. I agree with your premise. The good teams come out gangbusters in the first 4 minutes of the 3rd. To continually lose the 3rd is indicative of , not poor coaching, but of a staff that doesn't have a clue.
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That game went to overtime so the math checks out. +5 was the OT period and no column was generated for it.
 
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Chipperbones said:
Couple of thoughts. I keep hearing that the system worked at Marshall. As I recall yes it did —in their conference. Can someone remind me what happened when they played in the tournament against an ACC team? So the system working at Glenville State and Marshall does not compare to working in the SEC. Sorry.

Another thought. I hate what NIL has done as much as the next person BUT for those who want to carry on and on about players are getting the money regardless of effort and results, they aren’t as motivated, etc…couldn’t the same be said for coaches?

At lower levels the pay is minimal compared to that million a year CKC is making, win or lose. And if fired hey big buy-out. (I always say why do they football coaches care about being fired besides their ego—be good enough to get one big contract and you should be set for life if you don’t blow the money , even if you are a complete failure at your job).

If people can be so sure the players have been tainted by NIL, what about the coaches who finally hit the big contract? Coach Kim could retire in her 30s if UT paid her buy-out and she wanted to be a stay at home mom. She is under a microscope now and probably extremely stressed but win or lose she gets the big paycheck. Hmmm…just like those “lazy” D1 players. Food for thought.
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Everything you said is true but the same system that is good for DII and Mid majors beat UCONN last year and in fact is the last team to put a L on Geno. What has changed.
 
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KTrain said:
Everything you said is true but the same system that is good for DII and Mid majors beat UCONN last year and in fact is the last team to put a L on Geno. What has changed.
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Off the top of my head I remember that we had a great night shooting the basketball and we were able to out rebound them.

Looking at the boxscore, Fudd did not have a great game shooting (only had 10) and Bueckers scored below her norm with 14. Was our half court defense that much better or did we catch them on an off shooting night? Whatever it was a great win for our Lady Vols.

But honestly I don’t think the system won that game. Our ladies shot 45.7 percent. You should win a lot of games with that stat. (Both teams shot 25% from 3 which was fortunate for us as UConn was well below their average)

Just like today against Oklahoma we were able to score 93 points and you would think that would give you the win. Ah, but we gave up 100 and they shot at least 45 free throws. Haven’t looked at the stats yet. But today gives us hope. Good to see some of the freshman having success with driving and finishing and even making some threes.
 
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Chipperbones said:
Off the top of my head I remember that we had a great night shooting the basketball and we were able to out rebound them.

Looking at the boxscore, Fudd did not have a great game shooting (only had 10) and Bueckers scored below her norm with 14. Was our half court defense that much better or did we catch them on an off shooting night? Whatever it was a great win for our Lady Vols.

But honestly I don’t think the system won that game. Our ladies shot 45.7 percent. You should win a lot of games with that stat. (Both teams shot 25% from 3 which was fortunate for us as UConn was well below their average)

Just like today against Oklahoma we were able to score 93 points and you would think that would give you the win. Ah, but we gave up 100 and they shot at least 45 free throws. Haven’t looked at the stats yet. But today gives us hope. Good to see some of the freshman having success with driving and finishing and even making some threes.
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Wow, UT fans are just bound and determined to throw shade at their own team and if they lose they pile on , if they win the capitulate to the other team just had a bad game, had nothing to do with Tennessee which is a blind hog. UT also beat a Cotie led Ohio State last year at OSU which what was IMO a lot better team than she plays on at Ole Miss.
The truth IMO we have a lot of potential young talent that is not elite, Mia was close but her injury has made her a start from scratch freshman again, Our upper class has under performed by a long shot and the one scorer out of the 3 bust portals is not doing her comportment up to the Vol standard. Cooper is good but she is not a leader a high volume scorer that is prone to TO's and look to be in worst shape since being at UT. We may have more potential talent on this team but the upper class on last years team was seasoned and hard working and played smart ball and were leaders on the court, we have no one on the court as a leader (no one). IMO its as simple as that the players are about 8th or 9th talent wise in SEC. A lot of potential but that means nothing last year I thought Zee had potential to be a top Big in the conference in 26 and she's barely outscoring Jersey who is a bench warmer.
The one thing that changed from last year to this year is the players and upper class leadership is a bust and one let down her team before the season started with a couple team rules violations an arrest no leadership from the get go. The coaches need to get better upper class portals next year for sure that's totally on them but IMO leaders should be with the program at least the prior year, so next year if they stay intact, I expect Mia, Civil and Prawl to be leaders on the court. JMO...
 
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Updated through 2/23/2026 -- getting worse not better
OpponentResultQ1 DiffQ2 DiffQ3 DiffQ4 DiffTotal
vs. FloridaW 76–65+10-3-4+8+11
at AuburnW 73–56+13+2+8-6+17
at Miss. StateW 90–80+7+3+1-1+10
vs. ArkansasW 85–50+11+2+11+11+35
at #21 AlabamaW 70–59-3+10-2+6+11
vs. #11 KentuckyW 60–58+4+3-6+1+2
vs. Miss. StateL 62–77+3-12-8+2-15
at GeorgiaW 82–77 (OT)+1+1+2-4+5
at #3 S. CarolinaL 50–93-7-8-15-13-43
vs. MissouriW 98–53+16+15+11+3+45
vs. #4 TexasL 63–65-8+8-3+1-2
at #17 Ole MissL 81–94-6+5-11-1-13
vs. Texas A&ML 74–82-8+3-13+10-8
at #11 OklahomaL 93–100+2-4-50-7
SEC TOTALS+35+25-34+27
 
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