Things are going to change...

[MaTaLa]

Everything changes and some people always complain about it.

Higher education has become a multi-billion dollar scam and places of learning have become businesses, non legally speaking. They've used student athletes for a product, now that it's become such a big $$ industry.

Are not AD/coach searches now about "CEO" types, yes?

Fair play says let all profit, not just the elite. Supply and demand.

Us old nostalgic oriented folks will just have more fodder for the grieving of "the good old days" and how we know a better way, cuz we old, ha!!

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

It's LIKENESS control, not a SALARY. It can be implemented reasonably.

Let's take Tua.

While Tua is at Bama, let's say they sold 200,000 Tua jerseys and pics and whatnot with his name/image on it and made $10 profit on each one. That's $2 million Bama made from Tua's likeness and name. (Just making the numbers simple here.)

Let's say a Bama full ride athletic scholarship is worth $100,000, even $200,000

Bama made $1.8 million profit from Tua.

The idea is: Tua deserves to control the sale of his LIKENESS and NAME like any other person AND Bama deserves to be able to deduct the cost what they provided to Tua as well.

Tua should have AT LEAST been able to share some of the massive merch sales he generated with his jerseys, etc. That's been established law for a long time for celebrities. You CANNOT legally sell Tim McGraw T shirts and not give him a cut.

People WANT to say these are "grown men"..... well, grown men get paid when you profit from selling their name and likeness.

QB is a feature spot but this is still a team game. If it is Tua’s value he should be good with a draft of players signing up to get this money like pro players getting this type money deal with. If his pay is created by athletics he is a pro. You think he has the same value a few miles away at MSU?

 

[GulfCoasterVol]

I guess we prefer giving kids cash under the table?

Yes!

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

QB is a feature spot but this is still a team game. If it is Tua’s value he should be good with a draft of players signing up to get this money like pro players getting this type money deal with. If his pay is created by athletics he is a pro. You think he has the same value a few miles away at MSU?

Again, Bama can establish the value of a -Bama- education to an athlete vs a Jacksonville State or UT or whatever education. That can be negotiated.

That doesn't mean Bama deserves to profit from Tua's celebrity anymore than the Ryman can put out T-shirts with Tim Mcgraw's picture in front and not pay McGraw.

This isn't new or odd. Profiting from a man's name and picture without sharing that profit has been illegal for decades.

 

[NDRock]

Actually the government, lobbyists, and elites put into place to oversee this venture will profit the most. Government is already profiting big time from legal gambling, legal weed, cig tax. It’s like they’ve taken the mafias playbook.

You’re describing the NCAA (the nonprofit that made over one billion dollars last year). Seems to me the government is deregulating the corrupt NCAA and allowing adult Americans to make money from any business that is willing to pay them. Sure, the government will get a cut of the profits in the form of income taxes collected. Personally, I like deregulation and the free market (I’m a fiscal conservative after all). Obviously, some prefer the corrupt bureaucracy of the NCAA.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Again, Bama can establish the value of a -Bama- education to an athlete vs a Jacksonville State or UT or whatever education. That can be negotiated.

That doesn't mean Bama deserves to profit from Tua's celebrity anymore than the Ryman can put out T-shirts with Tim Mcgraw's picture in front and not pay McGraw.

This isn't new or odd. Profiting from a man's name and picture without sharing that profit has been illegal for decades.

No problem. Once again this is an example of professional efforts being paid for. Treat them as pros. Can Tim sell a shirt picturing the Opry stage or reference it without payment or permission? On the other hand the Opry could if it is covered in the performance agreement.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

No problem. Once again this is an example of professional efforts being paid for. Treat them as pros. Can Tim sell a shirt picturing the Opry stage or reference it without payment or permission? On the other hand the Opry could if it is covered in the performance agreement.

I suspect "Ryman Auditorium" is trademarked, as is the logo, and you would be expected to pay if you profited from the use. I suspect booking a photo shoot and selling those photos requires at least a release and likely a percentage of profits. As it should.

Why is this a problem? What about being an athlete should require a man or woman to give up the right to profit from their name and likeness just like another citizen?

What, at this point, makes you think colleges deserve to milk Joe Burrow's celebrity for a ton of money and he gets an education only? This isn't the 50s when merch sales and such were nothing........ colleges are making big money from athletics. C'mon.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I suspect "Ryman Auditorium" is trademarked, as is the logo, and you would be expected to pay if you profited from the use. I suspect booking a photo shoot and selling those photos requires at least a release and likely a percentage of profits. As it should.

Why is this a problem? What about being an athlete should require a man or woman to give up the right to profit from their name and likeness just like another citizen?

What, at this point, makes you think colleges deserve to milk Joe Burrow's celebrity for a ton of money and he gets an education only? This isn't the 50s when merch sales and such were nothing........ colleges are making big money from athletics. C'mon.

If a school puts out a pic or film not on a field of play then they would owe him something. Selling the right to sit and watch or tv rights only showing on field action and sideline shots of a sporting event one is getting a scholly and other benefits is not an abuse. If necessary it could be specifically covered in the NCAA scholarship template.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Eff it. The football we old guys grew up with doesn't exist anymore. Allow schools offer players whatever they think they are worth and let the market adjust itself.

No.

 

[tim]

Maybe like 10 SA’s per P5 school will benefit from this. Tops

 

[LargeOrange1]

If you’re going to come out of undergrad with $150,000 in debt, I think that says all you need to know about how smart someone is.

I personally know a veterinarian who owes $300K.....she will never repay that. But isn't Sleepy going to cancel student loans?

 

[LargeOrange1]

Catering to LeBron will be their undoing.

Amen.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If a school puts out a pic or film not on a field of play then they would owe him something. Selling the right to sit and watch or tv rights only showing on field action and sideline shots of a sporting event one is getting a scholly and other benefits is not an abuse. If necessary it could be specifically covered in the NCAA scholarship template.

I'm assuming eventually the players will TRY to get a piece of TV revenue. The schools will fight that because that's the lion's share of revenue. I'm iffy on that but I'm not an attorney.

What I see as fair is the jersey sales. Jerseys have got a specific player's name on it. That player shouldn't be expected to forgo their name being sold. Also, if you're selling pictures of a specific player, again, compensation for that is only normal in society.

Just because you enroll in a school, that DOES NOT give the school the right to profit from your SPECIFIC name and likeness. That's the part I agree with.

 

[photovol]

Nothing socialist about it
It's actually capitalism

NO
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WRONG FORUM!

 

[volmainia2]

Nothing socialist about it
It's actually capitalism

They are earning in excess100,000 for an education

 

[thistime]

I'm assuming eventually the players will TRY to get a piece of TV revenue. The schools will fight that because that's the lion's share of revenue. I'm iffy on that but I'm not an attorney.

I just think it is time for the NFL and NBA to start their on minor league. If they feel a kid can someday be a PRO pay them. If they don't make it at least they got their chance. Let colleges take the kids that want to play college ball and get a education. the fans of the school will still watch their team. If a kid comes to college and leave early for the pro leagues ( minor or major) all tuition given should be repaid by the player or team that they leave for. Player in college should receive a stipend to be determined by the the league and should be funded by TV revenue and ticket sales.

If somebody goes the pro route they are just that a pro and are ineligible to play that sport in college just like today. So they should chose wisely. The only ones that lose are those who think they are better than they are and wind up with no dream and no education. Simple and fair.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Is this what we want for college athletes they will be the minors so just pay them make a seperate league and let the NFL and NBA fund it....simple........

"Many of our coaches are beginning to believe the only way to get through this. I don't see a way out. I've talked to a lot of lawyers and all that kind of stuff. I don't see a way out of this until you all the sudden they're employees and you start playing them and allow them to unionize."

A whole new kettle of worms opened for the benefit of a few at the top schools. This article lays it out pretty well.

Is this what we want for college athletes? That's an interesting way to put it. As though we should decide for them? Are they humans? Citizens?

Perhaps American athletes ARE citizens? Perhaps they ARE entitled to proceeds from the profitable sale of their name and likeness just like other famous Americans? How is this radical?

College athletics is a massive business making massive money. THAT IS WHAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. Given the money involved, players are realizing they're receiving an education worth a decent amount of money BUT they are FAR FAR FAR more valuable than what they're being compensated.

Personally, I wish the NFL would establish a farm system a la MLB and we could watch AA and AAA football from big TV contracts and the NCAA could pound sand with second rate players.

The NCAA makes billions of dollars off the names, likenesses, and talent of young men and women. To hell with them if they can't see the value of the players and compensate them.

 

[ptclaus98]

An education should not be this much

 

[thistime]

Is this what we want for college athletes? That's an interesting way to put it. As though we should decide for them? Are they humans? Citizens?

Perhaps American athletes ARE citizens? Perhaps they ARE entitled to proceeds from the profitable sale of their name and likeness just like other famous Americans? How is this radical?

College athletics is a massive business making massive money. THAT IS WHAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. Given the money involved, players are realizing they're receiving an education worth a decent amount of money BUT they are FAR FAR FAR more valuable than what they're being compensated.

Personally, I wish the NFL would establish a farm system a la MLB and we could watch AA and AAA football from big TV contracts and the NCAA could pound sand with second rate players.

The NCAA makes billions of dollars off the names, likenesses, and talent of young men and women. To hell with them if they can't see the value of the players and compensate them.

 

[YorkVol]

Y'all know players already get paid, right?

 

[YorkVol]

Seems like the government is actually pushing for capitalism and doing away with “socialism”. You know, the part where players all make the same (scholarship) and aren’t allowed to earn anything on top of that. Judging by your stance in your post, you should be for this.
Imagine your job tries to dictate what you’re allowed to do on your time off (like earn extra money) and the government steps in and says that’s not allowed anymore. You’d probably be for that.

Most folks who cry about socialism don't really understand what they mean.

 

[thistime]

Is this what we want for college athletes? That's an interesting way to put it. As though we should decide for them? Are they humans? Citizens?

Perhaps American athletes ARE citizens? Perhaps they ARE entitled to proceeds from the profitable sale of their name and likeness just like other famous Americans? How is this radical?

College athletics is a massive business making massive money. THAT IS WHAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. Given the money involved, players are realizing they're receiving an education worth a decent amount of money BUT they are FAR FAR FAR more valuable than what they're being compensated.

Personally, I wish the NFL would establish a farm system a la MLB and we could watch AA and AAA football from big TV contracts and the NCAA could pound sand with second rate players.

The NCAA makes billions of dollars off the names, likenesses, and talent of young men and women. To hell with them if they can't see the value of the players and compensate them.

I agree let the Pro's pay them in the minors. If that is the choice they make fine it is their choice and if they make it great if not they got their shot. The NCAA should also come off it's high horse and pay for parents to attend some big games and give every Athletes, not just the big sports, a stipend as well to use as spending money and a Scholarship should be guaranteed for 4 years and the portal rule should done away with. Start a fund using TV money and licensing revenue generated by tournaments and bowls, hats, shirts, etc. Also no likeness or image of a athlete in college should be used while they are in school.

That would be a start but that want happen because some peoples pockets want be as full.

 

[volman128]

Seems like the government is actually pushing for capitalism and doing away with “socialism”. You know, the part where players all make the same (scholarship) and aren’t allowed to earn anything on top of that. Judging by your stance in your post, you should be for this.
Imagine your job tries to dictate what you’re allowed to do on your time off (like earn extra money) and the government steps in and says that’s not allowed anymore. You’d probably be for that.

Good grief. These people wouldn't know "socialism" if it bit them in the face. Socialism is NOT a type of government. And athletes earning money from the free market is literally capitalism.

 

[kcvols1]

So alabama players won't be making as much now?


If this happens I'm done with college sports, yah I'm a mad old white guy

C’mon, no you won’t. You’re a Big Orange crackhead like all of us. If the qualm is that kids are getting pay for play, that train sailed before Tech and Tulane left the SEC.

Bama players might make the same amount, but their take-home pay will be 28% lighter because they have to pay tax.

For most players, I imagine this will make things just a little easier and more honest. Eliminating black markets is just best for everyone, IMO.

For dudes like DeVonta Smith, he might be able to advertise for the Dodge dealership on Instagram or something. I think the social media deals are pretty much impossible to police effectively anyway. Nether schools nor the NCAA have the staff to accomplish it.

Furthermore, any dealership that drops $100k on that sponsorship deserves the financial ruin it would bring.

Well, maybe Dodge would sell more PT Cruisers. I seen LOTS of those in the Walmart parking lot in Phenix City.

 

[volman128]

People WANT to say these are "grown men"..... well, grown men get paid when you profit from selling their name and likeness.

I can't believe people have issues with players getting a cut of money that's made off of THEM but have no issue with the NCAA and athletic departments keeping it all to themselves. If athletic programs are going to sell merchandise with their players' names and pics on them, then they need to share the profits with the players. Otherwise, don't sell merchandise with players' likeness and name involved and just sell general merchandise.