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#151
#151
thistime said:
I agree let the Pro's pay them in the minors. If that is the choice they make fine it is their choice and if they make it great if not they got their shot. The NCAA should also come off it's high horse and pay for parents to attend some big games and give every Athletes, not just the big sports, a stipend as well to use as spending money and a Scholarship should be guaranteed for 4 years and the portal rule should done away with. Start a fund using TV money and licensing revenue generated by tournaments and bowls, hats, shirts, etc. Also no likeness or image of a athlete in college should be used while they are in school.

That would be a start but that want happen because some peoples pockets want be as full.
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I'd like to see ALL jersey/likeness and post season profit (less expenses for the school travel, etc) used to fund the "family and athlete stipend" not just for the name players, but the team. Relatively speaking, that's not a lot of money but the athletes that got them to the dance and sales should at least share the money from the hard work.

There's a balance. I DON'T think a college athlete should get rich but I also don't think a college coach should get rich either. Malzahn just walked off with about 20 million dollars. If that kind of money can be paid to a coach, there's money out there to compensate athletes fairly.
 
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#152
#152
i2amavol said:
Well duh, and Tennessee is an "at will" State. So, we just fire them, and hire someone else.
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Aren’t getting paid wages for employment different from being able to make money off your likeness?

I bet this coming up as EA Sports announces the return of the NCAA Football video game is no coincidence.

If possible, that makes me more in favor of this.
 
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#156
NDRock said:
I’m not Einstein but if you end with $0.00, you didn’t make a profit. Any business owners out there that can confirm my math? This is not my specialty.
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No you revived a fully paid asset of a college degree....you determine it’s worth
 
#157
#157
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's LIKENESS control, not a SALARY. It can be implemented reasonably.

Let's take Tua.

While Tua is at Bama, let's say they sold 200,000 Tua jerseys and pics and whatnot with his name/image on it and made $10 profit on each one. That's $2 million Bama made from Tua's likeness and name. (Just making the numbers simple here.)

Let's say a Bama full ride athletic scholarship is worth $100,000, even $200,000

Bama made $1.8 million profit from Tua.

The idea is: Tua deserves to control the sale of his LIKENESS and NAME like any other person AND Bama deserves to be able to deduct the cost what they provided to Tua as well.

Tua should have AT LEAST been able to share some of the massive merch sales he generated with his jerseys, etc. That's been established law for a long time for celebrities. You CANNOT legally sell Tim McGraw T shirts and not give him a cut.

People WANT to say these are "grown men"..... well, grown men get paid when you profit from selling their name and likeness.
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Do you really think there would be 200,000 sold or more like 20,000.
Also what’s the value of being coached by Bama’s staff? Should the players pay the coaches?
 
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Voltopia said:
The ideal solution would be if there was a "G league" for young people who wanted to go pro but didn't want to go play college football. It would be a great solution to this problem. The kids who want paydays can go get paid, and the rest can resume college athletics. What's that you say? You say it isn't actually about the players, but about the historic rivalries and college traditions and the schools? You mean to tell me the kids wouldn't be making a dime if they didn't have the exposure brought on by their respective programs and the large TV contracts negotiated by the conferences!? Get out of here with that. That can't be true. ESPN said the players are worth a fortune, I heard them say it. ESPN is always right -- they told me so last week. And the week before. And the week before ...

Seriously though, G-league, young players who want to get paid can go get paid, done. Done deal. Sign on the dotted line. People talk about seeing "the best players" as a draw, and that college football would suffer if the best players played in a developmental league -- whatever. What I want is to watch Tennessee football (and by extension SEC football). I don't care if there's a G-league out there taking the top 2-3% of the college talent. Fine. Go. I wasn't watching for you anyway. I was watching to root for Tennessee and the kids who want to play for Tennessee. That's what most college fans are in it for, in my opinion. Meanwhile, how about someone goes and casts a spotlight on the NFL and their restrictive hiring policies?

I'm kidding of course, this entire system is voluntary and if people don't want to participate then they SHOULDN'T SIGN and shouldn't attend the schools. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
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Better answer is to spin football and men's basketball off, or out of, the college setting. Run it as a for-profit enterprise -- teams would pay a license fee to the university - basically a true farm-league for football and basketball. Players would take a say 3 classes per semester and would be guaranteed scholarship to complete their educations after their playing career ends. Have a draft, pay players according to their draft position. Boom - done. Really not particularly complex.....
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Is this what we want for college athletes? That's an interesting way to put it. As though we should decide for them? Are they humans? Citizens?

Perhaps American athletes ARE citizens? Perhaps they ARE entitled to proceeds from the profitable sale of their name and likeness just like other famous Americans? How is this radical?

College athletics is a massive business making massive money. THAT IS WHAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. Given the money involved, players are realizing they're receiving an education worth a decent amount of money BUT they are FAR FAR FAR more valuable than what they're being compensated.

Personally, I wish the NFL would establish a farm system a la MLB and we could watch AA and AAA football from big TV contracts and the NCAA could pound sand with second rate players.

The NCAA makes billions of dollars off the names, likenesses, and talent of young men and women. To hell with them if they can't see the value of the players and compensate them.
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No.
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
This Socialism Experiment is getting out of hand. If the GOVERNMENT tries to force this on colleges, the schools need to shut down all athletics. Everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to schiiiittt. Im sick of it all.
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TIL people just don’t have a clue what “socialism” means. Getting state-run institutions out of the way and letting the market decide is textbook capitalism. You don’t have to agree with it, but call it what it is at least.
 
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NDRock said:
Players won’t be employees and won’t get paid from the Universities. They will just be free to make money on their own, through such things as endorsements. Personally, I’m for freedom and capitalism. God bless America.
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I am already paying for their school, meals, tutoring, pell grants, healthcare, etc. if they are making money they can pay their own way. I will be done paying money.
 
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#164
So simple to fix.

Cut each student athlete a check at the beginning of each semester for the cost of:
books,
tuition
R&B
Meals
Workouts
Access to athletic fields
training/therapy
clothes
shoes
equipment
tutors
etc.........Plus a little extra for cost of living......

Let them pay taxes on that money and then have them pay the school for those things with the money the school gave them, plus the NIL that they get on their own.

See how they like it!
 
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peaygolf said:
So simple to fix.

Cut each student athlete a check at the beginning of each semester for the cost of:
books,
tuition
R&B
Meals
Workouts
Access to athletic fields
training/therapy
clothes
shoes
equipment
tutors
etc.........Plus a little extra for cost of living......

Let them pay taxes on that money and then have them pay the school for those things with the money the school gave them, plus the NIL that they get on their own.

See how they like it!
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THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#166
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peaygolf said:
So simple to fix.

Cut each student athlete a check at the beginning of each semester for the cost of:
books,
tuition
R&B
Meals
Workouts
Access to athletic fields
training/therapy
clothes
shoes
equipment
tutors
etc.........Plus a little extra for cost of living......

Let them pay taxes on that money and then have them pay the school for those things with the money the school gave them, plus the NIL that they get on their own.

See how they like it!
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Sure, make the job suck and see who takes it.

Is that what you want? The teams that DON'T make the job suck will have all the good players but yeah..... that'll help.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Sure, make the job suck and see who takes it.

Is that what you want? The teams that DON'T make the job suck will have all the good players but yeah..... that'll help.
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The schools that have the big endowments will be able to lure the best players. Vandy will win the SEC for a hundred years running, and play Harvard... maybe Michigan for the natty every other year.

Follow the money.

It's beyond stoopid to pay college players.
 
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#169
peaygolf said:
ALL schools would do that. :rolleyes:
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Fantasy. Why do that? You can get better players if you offer better facilities, better dorms, better coaching....... but sure, "All schools would do that."

Why the F would they not, as they do now, make the school attractive to elite players?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
The schools that have the big endowments will be able to lure the best players. Vandy will win the SEC for a hundred years running, and play Harvard... maybe Michigan for the natty every other year.

Follow the money.

It's beyond stoopid to pay college players.
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None of y'all are actually looking at what is happening.

It's LIKENESS and NAME the players are looking to get paid for. You CANNOT currently sell pictures and merch of famous people without giving them a cut EXCEPT college athletes.

That's the gist of the legislation. Read.
 
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#171
Well I suppose that's the day I will stop watching/supporting college football. I really like the game but will survive without it.
 
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#172
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Fantasy. Why do that? You can get better players if you offer better facilities, better dorms, better coaching....... but sure, "All schools would do that."

Why the F would they not, as they do now, make the school attractive to elite players?
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Not sure you have any idea what I'm talking about............What I'm talking about is the answer to paying players and allowing them to make $ off their NIL.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
None of y'all are actually looking at what is happening.

It's LIKENESS and NAME the players are looking to get paid for. You CANNOT currently sell pictures and merch of famous people without giving them a cut EXCEPT college athletes.

That's the gist of the legislation. Read.
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No.
Don't need to. We do not need to be paying college athletes. Period. If you want, you can give them a tax write off, but that's it. Or if you insist on this tack, share the revenue generated among all players of all sports that the university offers. It would be a good lesson in socialism/equality for them.
 
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