The whining fans

#101
#101
Hello to all Vol fans out there.Long time fan new to the forum.
Times are not good right now but all the negative post will not help the cause.The team needs as much support now as we can give them.Good times and bad we need to be positive and let our team know we back them 100%. We will be back to our winning ways but it will take time and recruiting.
 
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awaitingawin said:
Why King Genius as I have told others you just suit right up and head down to vol calls at Calhouns or just call in and you give them the game plan to win out the rest of the season and give them your name and phone #. Sounds as if you been around long enough to do just that. If you appear at Calhouns make sure you bring your credentials ....and yes I watched the game and will watch this coming Saturday also...looking for improvement too...
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If you are looking for improvement in the next game or the one after that, you are like a blind man looking for crap that has already been flushed down the toilet.
Like I said your "improvement" is relative. To improve from this game down the road is like saying next time I will crap my pants on the way to the toilet rather than crap in the bed!
Do what you want. I was at Calhouns on the river tailgating. Suit up? Call the plays? Well I'm almost 40. Sure I'll call the plays, I'll do it for 10% of what you are paying them. What's gonna happen, I lose? Now piss off.
 
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illinoisvolfan1 said:
I’ll whine if I want to. I’m 62 and have been a Tennessee fan for as long as I can remember (55 years). This is the worst 16 game (last year to this year) in the history of the program.

Don’t sugar coat it. We suck right now and if the ship isn’t righted within a year (i.e. show really strong signs of life) the program will be in major serious trouble. Not that it isn’t already.
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OK i won't sugar coat it....There are a lot of fans who know the reality and have no intention of whining because they are mature enough to know JP took on a lot of pressure. These fans also know its going to take awhile and don't go around plastering the coaches and players after every game. Its entertainment for us but quite different for the coaches and players. Since you are 62 then you have suffered along with many other fans but did the fans whining win us any games ?

No. So why all the whining. It never has done any good..the only thing that has did any good is for someone to be strong enough to stand above the fray and lead the team to victory.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You don't consider Pruitt responsible for getting this team to show improvement as the season progresses? To show improvement over the abysmal performances of 2017?
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I think we've been through this once already. Of course I do.
 
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KingGenius said:
If you are looking for improvement in the next game or the one after that, you are like a blind man looking for crap that has already been flushed down the toilet.
Like I said your "improvement" is relative. To improve from this game down the road is like saying next time I will crap my pants on the way to the toilet rather than crap in the bed!
Do what you want. I was at Calhouns on the river tailgating. Suit up? Call the plays? Well I'm almost 40. Sure I'll call the plays, I'll do it for 10% of what you are paying them. What's gonna happen, I lose? Now piss off.
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BOOOOOMMMM. you tagged me exactly because i do look for improvement in the Ga. game. Yes I DO. GO BIG ORANGE:):):):):):):)
 
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awaitingawin said:
act exactly like the whining players and team they criticize ... the whining fans will just pick up their pads and leave if things don't go they way they want them to go. Pot calling kettle black if I ever saw it. They turn out to be just like what they say they despise.

Well, from what coach Pruitt just said it sounds like a REAL COACH to me trying to be honest with everyone. Didn't throw players under the bus nor did he the coaches BUT he did place the responsibility at everyones feet including him and his staff for Saturdays play.

I did not like the play calling at all but COACH PRUITT I AM BEHIND YOU 150 % ALL THE THE WAY. Fans we got us a great coach. It's going to be awhile but Pruitt is the one.

Sounded to me the heart and soul of the team came to his office to watch film and accept responsibility and try to PULL TOGETHER to improve. I think the fans should do the same.

If the core of the team moves in tandem then others will begin to follow. THANK YOU COACH PRUITT FOR TAKING ON THE TOUGH JOB OF COACHING THE TENNESSEE VOLS .
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If you paid to watch that pile of excrememt, you deserve to "whine."
 
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Hang in there coach Pruitt, I appreciate your humility and your honesty, your our coach and we’re behind you all the way.
I know you want to win more than anyone fan and thanks for taking on this major endevor.
 
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Freak said:
This staff isn’t above criticism. No staff is. They get paid a lot of money to do a job. What we saw on Saturday was abysmal and Pruitt is ultimately responsible. He needs to be able to hold this team together through November and show some improvement. I think he has to do a better job of getting our guys ready to play because I thought we came out really tight against Florida. I also think a lot of the mistakes fall on the players. Regardless, calling for firings already is asinine.
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While I agree, Heltons playcalling was atrocious. Who keeps calling runs up the middle with 8 stacked in the box? Apparently Helton.
 
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Freak said:
Questioning the game plan is one thing, we have people who have already given up on this staff, which is a bit premature imo.
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Fans see what our conference brothers are doing on the field.... progressing, winning and improving in most areas of the game. Every team has their issues, even the one the media is proclaiming as the GOAT for 2018.

I'm in the camp with several others that just want to see some improvement, even if it's just from a fundamentals standpoint. Whether it's the OL blocking in several phases of the game, adjustments made by the staff during critical points, improved tackling, etc. I'm not expecting a significant improvement in the W/L column this year and I believe those with some sense of reality honestly expected 5 or 6 wins....7 was pushing it with this schedule and our history with the injury bug.

After witnessing 4 games ( 2 against sub-par competition, 1 against a possible B12 conference champion and the last one against a middle of pack SEC team that looked completely lost 2 weeks prior to the game with Tennessee) I can say that the improvement, even in the most basic aspects of the game have been minimal if it all from my point of view.

If progress continues to go in reverse, CJP needs to reevaluate his current staff immediately at seasons end.
 
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ETV said:
Fans see what our conference brothers are doing on the field.... progressing, winning and improving in most areas of the game. Every team has their issues, even the one the media is proclaiming as the GOAT for 2018.

I'm in the camp with several others that just want to see some improvement, even if it's just from a fundamentals standpoint. Whether it's the OL blocking in several phases of the game, adjustments made by the staff during critical points, improved tackling, etc. I'm not expecting a significant improvement in the W/L column this year and I believe those with some sense of reality honestly expected 5 or 6 wins....7 was pushing it with this schedule and our history with the injury bug.

After witnessing 4 games ( 2 against sub-par competition, 1 against a possible B12 conference champion and the last one against a middle of pack SEC team that looked completely lost 2 weeks prior to the game with Tennessee) I can say that the improvement, even in the most basic aspects of the game have been minimal if it all from my point of view.

If progress continues to go in reverse, CJP needs to reevaluate his current staff immediately at seasons end.
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Very reasonable post.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
While I agree, Heltons playcalling was atrocious. Who keeps calling runs up the middle with 8 stacked in the box? Apparently Helton.
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I was shocked...totally shocked...here is where we see JP as a head coach because that has to be cleaned up this week. Again I think JP alluded to it in his presser today.
 
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ETV said:
Fans see what our conference brothers are doing on the field.... progressing, winning and improving in most areas of the game. Every team has their issues, even the one the media is proclaiming as the GOAT for 2018.

I'm in the camp with several others that just want to see some improvement, even if it's just from a fundamentals standpoint. Whether it's the OL blocking in several phases of the game, adjustments made by the staff during critical points, improved tackling, etc. I'm not expecting a significant improvement in the W/L column this year and I believe those with some sense of reality honestly expected 5 or 6 wins....7 was pushing it with this schedule and our history with the injury bug.

After witnessing 4 games ( 2 against sub-par competition, 1 against a possible B12 conference champion and the last one against a middle of pack SEC team that looked completely lost 2 weeks prior to the game with Tennessee) I can say that the improvement, even in the most basic aspects of the game have been minimal if it all from my point of view.

If progress continues to go in reverse, CJP needs to reevaluate his current staff immediately at seasons end.
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minimal...although I think a little better for the defensive corners
 
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Freak said:
Very reasonable post.
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Freak, on a side note....what in the world happened to Johnson the receiver...another game where he just slipped out of sight...I did notice that he short armed that one coming across the middle and that was the end of his day if i am correct...On a good note at least Helton finally moved Calloway around to try to get him open
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
No, Hillbilly, the OP is more right. Because he's standing beside our coach, supporting him.

Jeremy Pruitt may not end up being the right guy for us long-term. But right now, he is the guy. And we ought to support our players and coaches while they wear orange, stay true to them. That's a pretty important human value.

So yeah, OP is getting it right.
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I've always felt that the players deserve the benefit of the doubt but I see post after post opining that we can't put anything on the coaches because half or more of the players are trash. The coaches get paid to deal with the heat if things are not going well. I saw this coming last November.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I've always felt that the players deserve the benefit of the doubt but I see post after post opining that we can't put anything on the coaches because half or more of the players are trash. The coaches get paid to deal with the heat if things are not going well. I saw this coming last November.
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I think fair, measured criticism of both players and coaches is fine. Like saying that Austin Pope played beyond himself, got outside his comfort zone, and literally lost control of his own situation at the end of the pass play. He's a great young man, bleeds for Tennessee, and deserves our support and respect, but didn't end that play well.

As long as other readers can tell that you support the person even while offering fair criticism, no harm no foul. When you approach it that way, you're probably not saying anything the player or coach wouldn't have said about themselves.

It's the folks who are socially inept, or don't take the time to try to be fully understood, who shoot their mouths out of frustration or anger without considering how it will be received, they're the ones who should stay away from criticizing at all.


p.s. Another thing we should all be more cautious of is getting outside of OURSELVES in our criticism of the coaches and players. The vast majority of us don't know one-tenth as much about football in general as any of them, and not even one-hundredth of the nitty gritty details that go with a specific position group, formation, play, or scenario. Yet we often reach sweeping conclusions about what they did and how. We're the near-blind critiquing a Monet, the near-deaf criticizing details of Mozart's opus magnus.
 
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