The Venezuela thread

[TheDirector]

Elon Musk’s Starlink to provide free internet to Venezuela

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

First Court appearance for Madruo is Monday morning.
The left wing radical judge appointed to his case will more than likely release him on his good behavior and for time served already.

 

[volbound1700]

I think that this is a way for Trump to undercut Russia personally (and China to a degree). Venezuela was allied to both. With the new oil reservoirs from Venezuela (and potentially Iran if the Khomeni falls), Trump can undercut Russia's ability to find markets for its oil or drive down the rates to the point that Russia can't sustain the war effort.

Not a good reason to necessarily bomb Venezuela but it is what it is. The big headache is the nation building. USA military has shown it is up to par to take out regimes in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. The issue is the USA Military cannot be an occupying force, that hasn't work because to successfully occupy nations, you have to be cruel and do acts that Americans would not tolerate (think Rome or Nazi Germany, they could occupy people successfully but they resulted to brutal means).

I am more worried about the Administration of Venezuela than the military acts. We tried that in other nations without success.

 

[bamawriter]

What happens if Maduro isn't convicted? I highly doubt we ship him back.

There's very little chance Maduro isn't convicted.

But in the off chance that he's not, there will likely be a prosecution waiting for him in Venezuela like there was for Noriega in Panama.

 

[Zues1]

What happens if Maduro isn't convicted? I highly doubt we ship him back.

New Yorkers will probably elect him as governor

 

[LSU-SIU]

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Or maybe just stay out of it all. Why are we involved?

I really thought Americans were tired of all this -> How wrong I was can't be measured apparently.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

LMAO .... what a Bozo the clown Schumer is everyday.

 

[VAVol85]

Don't give up so easy, had my first heart attack at 39,spent 18days ICU Vanderbilt, told 60 was a dream. In my 70's now. Knowing you have heart disease and treating it gives you a leg up. Keep kicking I enjoy debating with you.

Was going to say the same to @marcusluvsvols
Have a friend who had his HA 15 years ago and still doing great. Almost 5 years for me and doing fine.
Wishing you continued good health and plenty of time to change your politics!

 

[LSU-SIU]

LMAO .... what a Bozo the clown Schumer is everyday.

Or maybe they were all wrong? The problem being is that a large portion of the people that voted for Trump rejected the GBSr and GBJr of international policy, which is why they are all fat cats in Congress.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[allstar34]

I'll never not be impressed by MAGA mental gymnastics.

@BeardedVol was once a mighty warrior, trusted by his people to defend them. But when power and dark alliances tempted him, he turned his back on those who believed in him and supported the freeing of Maduro, a narco terrorist who spread chaos and suffering. In that single choice, Kratos (bv) fell from hero to symbol of betrayal, remembered not for his strength, but for his disloyalty. He has dropped his mighty axe in exchange for a Free Maduro sign.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

@BeardedVol was once a mighty warrior, trusted by his people to defend them. But when power and dark alliances tempted him, he turned his back on those who believed in him and supported the freeing of Maduro, a narco terrorist who spread chaos and suffering. In that single choice, Kratos (bv) fell from hero to symbol of betrayal, remembered not for his strength, but for his disloyalty. He has dropped his mighty axe in exchange for a Free Maduro sign.

 

[VAVol85]

Going on TV to defend your "law enforcement' action and say that if Maduro had just left Venezuela on his own, you wouldn't have executed the US arrest warrant that you used as the basis for your military action, is probably not going to help th DOJ make their case.

I wondered about that too. I think he is talking for the benefit of the defense secretary and secretary of the interior who both have outstanding warrants and who the administration would like to see leave peacefully.

 

[jmacvols1]

That is a gross over-simplification.

The "capture" of Maduro obviously involves a governmental regime change, and will require a commitment of considerable American resources (including time and multiple American administrations) to achieve stability.

The capture of Osama bin Laden did nothing more than hurt Pervez Musharraf's feelings for a moment but he sold some books with Simon & Schuster and got over it.

Over 50 nations including United States, Canada, and the European Union (comprising 27 member states) have consistently refused to recognize Maduro's legitimacy, citing widespread election fraud and the erosion of democratic institutions. A significant number of regional neighbors have rejected his claims, including Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Panama, Peru, and Uruguay. They recognized Edmundo González Urrutia as the President. Not a regime change but installing the correct person that should have been President.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Over 50 nations including United States, Canada, and the European Union (comprising 27 member states) have consistently refused to recognize Maduro's legitimacy, citing widespread election fraud and the erosion of democratic institutions. A significant number of regional neighbors have rejected his claims, including Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Panama, Peru, and Uruguay. They recognized Edmundo González Urrutia as the President. Not a regime change but installing the correct person that should have been President.

And some people didn't recognize Biden in 2020, nor Trump in 2024 here in the U.S. This is deflecting the issue(s) that people have with this, I would think.

Is that what we're doing is going to X country and seeing if the person running the show has been elected? I think not.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[jmacvols1]

And some people didn't recognize Biden in 2020, nor Trump in 2024 here in the U.S. This is deflecting the issue(s) that people have with this, I would think.

Is that what we're doing is going to X country and seeing if the person running the show has been elected? I think not.

Where is it written that all countries must recognize Maduro as President in what was a fraudulent election...especially when he was wanted for crimes with a bounty put on since 2020 before the 2024 election in Venezuela.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

The Enter key is life's best blood thinner.

Tryna roll with the aspirin instead bro. Old habits and whatnot.

 

[MAD]

Gimme a break, dude. Just because Maduro was a bad guy doesn't mean we fixed anything. It doesn't mean this is good for Venezuela.. We've apparently learned nothing from the past 70 years.

If Trump got kidnapped, lots of Americans would celebrate. Would that validate it?

This is NOT a true representation of American sentiment.
It's NOT even a true representation of immigrants sentiment.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Where is it written that all countries must recognize Maduro as President in what was a fraudulent election...especially when he was wanted for crimes with a bounty put on since 2020 before the 2024 election in Venezuela.

Where is it written that I said that? You are setting up a strawman.

This is pure George Bush Sr. scheme going on, don't blame me for it.... pretty obvious stuff here. Next, will be the inter-politics of the uniparty which is what Trump is at this point. The left will point to Trump, and Trump will point back ... when they are all doing the same nonsense.

This is why I don't vote. Might as well have Jeb running foreign policy.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[LSU-SIU]

Because it was a CIA operation.

This is what I thought Americans were tired of.... apparently not.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Was going to say the same to @marcusluvsvols
Have a friend who had his HA 15 years ago and still doing great. Almost 5 years for me and doing fine.
Wishing you continued good health and plenty of time to change your politics!

Thanks, I think the ones that ignore orhave silent symptoms are at most risk. Good luck to you.

I lean left but not too far from reality. I detest Trump. I wanted and would have voted for DeSantis. Don't agree with all he does but when poop hits the fan in Florida, he's on top of it.

 

[EasternVol]

Venezuela under the Maduro "government" was illegitimate and not a duly elected recognizable government. We captured and arrested a warlord cosplaying as a legitimate "leader" of Venezuela.

They have a legitimate president that won an election 2 years ago.

The only attacking of Venezuela's sovereignty was Maduro's dictatorial regime nullifying their democratic election.

This isn't rocket science. You can disagree with the operation, but to say we attacked a sovereign country and its legitimate government is foolish.

If that's what you have to tell yourself....

 

[DinkinFlicka]

This is NOT a true representation of American sentiment.
It's NOT even a true representation of immigrants sentiment.

You don't represent anything regarding the American sentiment. You're a fear mongering lunatic.