The truth behind Joc Bruce

[NCFisher]

Sounds as if you are attempting to force your beliefs on everyone in this thread. To me that's a form of bullying. You probably should find another board that doesn't discuss incidents that allow boys to become men.

Force my beliefs by stating an opinion? I'm not the one suggesting someone should leave because I disagree with them. How do you hold a job, or function socially with that attitude? Good grief.

 

[utvolpj]

Is that what happened? Where you there? Making assumptions based on limited information to me is clownish behavior. And if that's what you've got out of this story, I suggest you work on your comprehension skills. And I can only hope the coaching staff is turning boys into men and not creating a wimpy environment where loud mouth punks and know it alls feel as if they can run around and say what they want without any repercussions. It's becoming painfully obvious as to who excelled in sports and who didn't.

It's an assessment based off multiple reports. Teaching them to use fists when confronted with words is not building men. It also doesn't feel like the point of higher education

 

[NCFisher]

So when a discussion isn't going your way, you divert the attention to another egregious act that has nothing to do with what this discussion is about? It's intellectually dishonest nonsense like your above comment why we have the racial divide we have right now. Try staying on topic instead of perpetuating today's problems.

It's as relevant as rainbows, pansies, and sex changes, thanks.

 

[sanddune50]

Force my beliefs by stating an opinion? I'm not the one suggesting someone should leave because I disagree with them. How do you hold a job, or function socially with that attitude? Good grief.

Who are you to assess 'how I hold a job'? What are your credentials? More bullying I see.

I'm curious how a person like you passes the interview process myself. Through my experience most employers aren't very impressed with 'smartest guy in the room' types who are delusionally enamored with themselves.

Personally, I always did well due to my self confidence that was built through not being a wimp and learning the meaning of the word respect. Meaning when you disrespect people in life, bad things happen. See that's the problem with people like you. You have a twisted view of respect and then wonder why people like Joc get handled the way that he did.

That nonsense above is similar as to why Joc probably got dropped to the ground. He showed a lack of respect and got dealt with. I hope you don't talk to people in person like you do on here. Of course, I imagine you have a lawyer on speed dial in case things get dicey for you.

 

[NCFisher]

Who are you to assess 'how I hold a job'? What are your credentials? More bullying I see.

I'm curious how a person like you passes the interview process myself. Through my experience most employers aren't very impressed with 'smartest guy in the room' types who are delusionally enamored with themselves.

Personally, I always did well due to my self confidence that was built through not being a wimp and learning the meaning of the word respect. Meaning when you disrespect people in life, bad things happen. See that's the problem with people like you. You have a twisted view of respect and then wonder why people like Joc get handled the way that he did.

That nonsense above is similar as to why Joc probably got dropped to the ground. He showed a lack of respect and got dealt with. I hope you don't talk to people in person like you do on here. Of course, I imagine you have a lawyer in speed dial in case things get dicey for you.

I respect people who don't assault other people or condone it, which is how this started. You claim not to be "a wimp" but complain of how I address people. I fail to see that I've disrespected anyone except the fella who luridly imagines I've slighted men/women in uniform. How have I addressed anyone in uncivil manner? If you are not accustomed to verbal give and take, you might act on your own advice of finding a suitable forum. Please note, unlike you, I'd rather you hang around and state your argument.

 

[sanddune50]

It's an assessment based off multiple reports. Teaching them to use fists when confronted with words is not building men. It also doesn't feel like the point of higher education

Again, there is a grey area as to what really happened here. And making absolutes about a situation that neither you or I really know how the sequence of events occurred is a straight up assumption on your part.

And I don't think the coaches are teaching kids to use 'fists when confronted with words'. That's just more overexaggerated nonsense in an attempt to prove whatever point you feel you are trying to prove.

And I didn't realize the job of a coach was to teach classes that provided these kids with a higher education? Their job is to teach these kids about respect. And when a person shows a lack of respect in the real world, bad things can happen. I mean here Joc got dropped in a controlled environment. In the real world he may end up in jail or dead. So in around about way, I would Joc was provided with a 'higher' education of what not to do moving forward in life. I think several people in here could use that type of 'higher education'.

And I realize this is a deflection on your part, but all a higher education is for is to provide an opportunity to start a career and not be a lifetime freeloader. Somewhere along the way, some people have used this as a segue to feel a sense of superiority over people around them. I mean I have degree and a CPA. Neither of those sheets of paper magically made me feel smarter. They provided me with an opportunity to make a living, nothing more. I think some people, usually insecure people, started using buzzwords like 'higher education' to mean something it never was really intended to mean.

 

[sanddune50]

I respect people who don't assault other people or condone it, which is how this started. You claim not to be "a wimp" but complain of how I address people. I fail to see that I've disrespected anyone except the fella who luridly imagines I've slighted men/women in uniform. How have I addressed anyone in uncivil manner? If you are not accustomed to verbal give and take, you might act on your own advice of finding a suitable forum. Please note, unlike you, I'd rather you hang around and state your argument.

I don't condone assaulting people either. Your definition of assault is just a lot more watered down than mine. And it's funny for a supposed smart guy you sure missed that my bullying comments were made tongue in cheek. I'm not even concerned about any exchanges you have outside of the thread topic. So I really don't know what you are talking about as far as disrespecting the military. My suggestion for you to find another forum had more to do with your lack of understanding with how team sports work. I just find It amusing when people act as if they are an expert on a topic that they never experienced themselves. I can tell you've read a lot of books though. So you got that going for you.

 

[NCFisher]

I don't condone assaulting people either. Your definition of assault is just a lot more watered down than mine. And it's funny for a supposed smart guy you sure missed that my bullying comments were made tongue in cheek. I'm not even concerned about any exchanges you have outside of the thread topic. So I really don't know what you are talking about as far as disrespecting the military. My suggestion for you to find another forum had more to do with your lack of understanding with how team sports work. I just find amusing when people act as if they are an expert on a topic that they never experienced themselves. I can tell you've read a lot of books though. So you got that going for you.

For a guy overtly concerned with deflection, you wander a lot.

I've played team sports and we didn't get to punch each other out. And no example of me treating someone uncivilly...that about do it?

 

[sanddune50]

For a guy overtly concerned with deflection, you wander a lot.

I've played team sports and we didn't get to punch each other out. And no example of me treating someone uncivilly...that about do it?

How do you figure? I gave a point by point rebuttal of your previous post. If anything you blazed the trail that led us to wander. That seems to be what you do a lot. Not that there is anything wrong with that. The world needs nomads too. I'm done here. I'll let you 'last worders' continue beating this nonevent to death. I'm just happy we don't have coaches that have the same mentality as some of the people in this thread. If we did, we would have a lot of creampuffs taking the field this year.

 

[KBVol]

Guess you missed some of block JC has had sealing the corner for his RB.

Yes. Which one(s)?

 

[FïreBall]

It's an assessment based off multiple reports. Teaching them to use fists when confronted with words is not building men. It also doesn't feel like the point of higher education

When was a report the coaches are taught to use fists?


We have two crowds here..

One that is making this sound like JBruce innocently stepped on the Power T and big bad mean JCroom came over and without warning smacked him down.. and obviously JCroom bullied JBruce into not attending classes and what have you, because, that is what is being taught and all..


OTOH.. the reports have been..

JBruce has been reported as having a gangster type attitude, people have stated this before the altercation in other threads. One poster said he was a "dbag", this person went on to say he was lazy as well..

There was a altercation between JBruce and JCroom that did not (from a person in the know on the board) have all to do with stepping on the Power T..

Multiple people have talked highly of JCroom and being a very good person and not one to instigate fights.

JBruce signed a letter to leave the program, that this would is the best for him and UT.. there is a picture posted somewhere of this signed letter.

The other side are believing.. and I'm in this crowd. JBruce was apparently being a dbag in the locker room, a elder player JCroom confronted him.. JBruce disrespected JCroom and also during the confrontation stepped on the Power T, they had a altercation with JCroom having enough and hitting JBruce..

With CBJ having a signed letter from JBruce explains a bunch to me. With no reports of JCroom being off the team explains a bunch.. JCroom will most likely be disciplined by the coaches IMO. JBruce is not a fit for UT, this is fairly certain, and if UT was his dream team, then why is he leaving so quickly, and why a altercation to begin with. Stuff adds up.. and it is stacked against JBruce being a angel in this.

My question for the pro JBruce crowd, where do you see bulling or assault in all this. The two was escalating to a fight because one player was being a dbag and the other was calling him out..

Maybe I'm blind and ignorant, but its plain as the sky is blue on a nice sunny day to me. :thumbsup:

 

[HoptownVol]

It depends entirely upon the circumstance, of which we know little.

Since when does that matter to this crowd?

 

[NMVol]

Yes. Which one(s)?

Here's at least one example.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn...g-our-skill-players-against.html#post10496517

 

[utvolpj]

When was a report the coaches are taught to use fists?


We have two crowds here..

One that is making this sound like JBruce innocently stepped on the Power T and big bad mean JCroom came over and without warning smacked him down.. and obviously JCroom bullied JBruce into not attending classes and what have you, because, that is what is being taught and all..


OTOH.. the reports have been..

JBruce has been reported as having a gangster type attitude, people have stated this before the altercation in other threads. One poster said he was a "dbag", this person went on to say he was lazy as well..

There was a altercation between JBruce and JCroom that did not (from a person in the know on the board) have all to do with stepping on the Power T..

Multiple people have talked highly of JCroom and being a very good person and not one to instigate fights.

JBruce signed a letter to leave the program, that this would is the best for him and UT.. there is a picture posted somewhere of this signed letter.

The other side are believing.. and I'm in this crowd. JBruce was apparently being a dbag in the locker room, a elder player JCroom confronted him.. JBruce disrespected JCroom and also during the confrontation stepped on the Power T, they had a altercation with JCroom having enough and hitting JBruce..

With CBJ having a signed letter from JBruce explains a bunch to me. With no reports of JCroom being off the team explains a bunch.. JCroom will most likely be disciplined by the coaches IMO. JBruce is not a fit for UT, this is fairly certain, and if UT was his dream team, then why is he leaving so quickly, and why a altercation to begin with. Stuff adds up.. and it is stacked against JBruce being a angel in this.

My question for the pro JBruce crowd, where do you see bulling or assault in all this. The two was escalating to a fight because one player was being a dbag and the other was calling him out..

Maybe I'm blind and ignorant, but its plain as the sky is blue on a nice sunny day to me. :thumbsup:

Please link me to a credible report that Bruce put his hands on someone first. If he didn't then it it simply assault over some perceived lack of respect. That should not be the proper response for adults and if it's tolerated by the staff then it is essentially being taught as the correct response

You assuming this is some pro-Bruce crusade couldn't be more wrong. It's simply about how to handle yourself as a contributing member of society

 

[RSATURDAY]

So when a discussion isn't going your way, you divert the attention to another egregious act that has nothing to do with what this discussion is about? It's intellectually dishonest nonsense like your above comment why we have the racial divide we have right now. Try staying on topic instead of perpetuating today's problems.

Thank you. Tired of these race bating pro everything modern media spews. I'm pro this and pro that and step on egg shells. Get over it d bag ( meaning the guy you were talking too lol)

 

[dd4vols]

i haven't seen anything hijacked of this magnitude since D B Cooper.....................

 

[butchna]

Please link me to a credible report that Bruce put his hands on someone first. If he didn't then it it simply assault over some perceived lack of respect. That should not be the proper response for adults and if it's tolerated by the staff then it is essentially being taught as the correct response

You assuming this is some pro-Bruce crusade couldn't be more wrong. It's simply about how to handle yourself as a contributing member of society

Link me to an official report that Bruce was hit period. Not doubting the story but it's not in his farewell letter.

 

[NCFisher]

Thank you. Tired of these race bating pro everything modern media spews. I'm pro this and pro that and step on egg shells. Get over it d bag ( meaning the guy you were talking too lol)

The guy he was talking to wasn't race-baiting, but using satire to make a point.
Regards,
d bag

 

[MtnManStan]

Oh man, do I see a views record being broken?? Let's strive for 35k!!! Accept, adapt and persevere.

 

[FïreBall]

Please link me to a credible report that Bruce put his hands on someone first. If he didn't then it it simply assault over some perceived lack of respect. That should not be the proper response for adults and if it's tolerated by the staff then it is essentially being taught as the correct response

You assuming this is some pro-Bruce crusade couldn't be more wrong. It's simply about how to handle yourself as a contributing member of society

Read my post again, I didn't say that JBruce put his hands on him first.. I said apparently there was a altercation..

I also said that JCroom will most like receive discipline..

Please link to credible sources where the coaches are teaching to use fists kind sir, because I have never heard of such.. :salute:

 

[utvolpj]

Read my post again, I didn't say that JBruce put his hands on him first.. I said apparently there was a altercation..

The act was either self defense or assault. The fact you avoid that is telling

Please link to credible sources where the coaches are teaching to use fists kind sir, because I have never heard of such.. :salute:

Never said there was. The punishment in real life for this kind of act is much different than anything the player involved is likely to be given. Tells me they believe it's equal to missing a class or 2 which isn't much

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Even assuming the following is true:

Joc was disrespectful;
Joc stepped on the T;
Joc was warned about stepping on T; and
Croom hit Joc.

Still not enough info to draw the legal conclusions to which people are jumping.

 

[utvolpj]

Even assuming the following is true:

Joc was disrespectful;
Joc stepped on the T;
Joc was warned about stepping on T; and
Croom hit Joc.

Still not enough info to draw the legal conclusions to which people are jumping.

Q: Why did you hit him?

A: He called me a name then stepped on the wrong section of carpet

Sounds like a solid defense :lol:

 

[ntxVOL]

I respect people who don't assault other people or condone it, which is how this started. You claim not to be "a wimp" but complain of how I address people. I fail to see that I've disrespected anyone except the fella who luridly imagines I've slighted men/women in uniform. How have I addressed anyone in uncivil manner? If you are not accustomed to verbal give and take, you might act on your own advice of finding a suitable forum. Please note, unlike you, I'd rather you hang around and state your argument.

Ah, now I see the problem here. It seems to me that you're making the assumption that JB has the same level of intellect that you possess but JC, by his own actions, must be some sort of barbarian.

So, what is one to do after a verbal reprimand is not enough? Do you think JC should have just ran and told CBJ what was going on? And how is JB supposed to have any respect for JC if he had done that?

 

[Evet Vols]

Link me to an official report that Bruce was hit period. Not doubting the story but it's not in his farewell letter.

I heard Croom and Maggitt stood over him and made him sign it.