The Trump-Russian connection and why both are doing what they are doing

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hog88 said:
None of that would be on his personal returns anyway, Will knows that.
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You sure?

Anyway, his problem is if he releases any of them, then the pressure to release them all will be UGE. And the loans and interest will absolutely show up all over the business tax returns.

If there is a grain of truth to this, then for sure he will not release them now.
 
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GAVol said:
Wouldn't it have been easier to just come out and blame Trump for the email hack? That's all in the world this is. You want to yell "squirrel!" and then have the party wipe the egg off its face while the stupid masses look the other way.
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No, the evidence does not point to that. It points to the Russians doing it and giving it to Wikileaks to help Trump, because he helps them, particularly in the Ukraine.
 
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carlos86 said:
"When a reporter asked Trump if he had "any qualms about asking a foreign government, Russia, China, anybody, to interfere, to hack into a system of anybody in this country" or if it gave him "pause," he responded, "No, it gives me no pause."
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Got a link?
 
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GAVol said:
Currently, we're completely governed by faux outrage and false narratives from both the left and the right. The sad part is, it's not even hard to spot anymore.
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I'd agree with you except that Russian espionage to manipulate our elections kind of takes this back and forth to a whole new level.

If it is proven, it will dwarf the contents of the emails. That's because we already knew what was in them was true. The bigger issue, by far, is how this was manipulated, by whom, and WHY.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, the evidence does not point to that. It points to the Russians doing it and giving it to Wikileaks to help Trump, because he helps them, particularly in the Ukraine.
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Even if you buy all of that.... It's comical how the content of the emails doesn't seem to matter.

Edit:. Lol... As I typed the above, the below was being posted.

lawgator1 said:
If it is proven, it will dwarf the contents of the emails. That's because we already knew what was in them was true. The bigger issue, by far, is how this was manipulated, by whom, and WHY.
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GAVol said:
Even if you buy all of that.... It's comical how the content of the emails doesn't seem to matter.
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For at least the fifth time, I agree the contents matter.

But the story that the Russians are behind it is infinitely more significant to the race because we already the knew the Demo party was in Clinton's hip pocket. If the Russians are tinkering with our election to help a guy they are financially linked to, that's much, much more important.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/u...edCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article
 
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lawgator1 said:
For at least the fifth time, I agree the contents matter.

But the story that the Russians are behind it is infinitely more significant to the race because we already the knew the Demo party was in Clinton's hip pocket. If the Russians are tinkering with our election to help a guy they are financially linked to, that's much, much more important.



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/u...edCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article
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Amazing how in months and months of media vetting and opposition research, the Trump/Russia connection didn't come to light until this week. A Russia connection would've gone over like a turd in a punchbowl during GOP primary season and Trump wouldn't have gotten within a mile of the RNC podium.

This is an easy planted narrative to spot.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You sure?

Anyway, his problem is if he releases any of them, then the pressure to release them all will be UGE. And the loans and interest will absolutely show up all over the business tax returns.

If there is a grain of truth to this, then for sure he will not release them now.
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I am.

I think Trump should release his personal returns and hope the Clinton camp presses for his business returns.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, the evidence does not point to that. It points to the Russians doing it and giving it to Wikileaks to help Trump, because he helps them, particularly in the Ukraine.
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Or alternate theory which is more likely.

The Russians have her emails off her server while she was SOS, this release was a shot across the bow to eventually get what they want out of her.
 
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hog88 said:
Or alternate theory which is more likely.

The Russians have her emails off her server while she was SOS, this release was a shot across the bow to eventually get what they want out of her.
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This makes way more sense.
 
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carlos86 said:
Business tax returns show foreign investors.
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Why would his return show anything about foreign investors to a business he derived income from?. The investment would flow to Trump, Inc.; not the individual.

And even if we saw a business return, why would it necessarily mention an investor's name? It's an income tax return, not a financial statement.
 
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hog88 said:
I say Trump needs to turn over his tax records and Hillary needs to release the CF donor list and financials.

BTW GW sounds like a scorned ex.
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Without facts he's coming across as a partisan with an agenda
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'd agree with you except that Russian espionage to manipulate our elections kind of takes this back and forth to a whole new level.

If it is proven, it will dwarf the contents of the emails. That's because we already knew what was in them was true. The bigger issue, by far, is how this was manipulated, by whom, and WHY.
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Blaming Russia and/or Trump for the email leaks is like blaming the video for Benghazi. How many of Hillary's emails did Trump write? Screeech!!!
 
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37L1 said:
This isn't going away either, folks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...ssed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/04/23/us/clinton-foundation-donations-uranium-investors.html

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Putin even slouches like a Russian mobster...
 
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I don't know, I think I'd rather Trump be tied to the Russians than the way Hillary is tied Saudi and Iranians.
 
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Serious question, isn't Trump committing a form of treason by asking the Russians to seek out Hillary's missing emails?
 
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Republicans who raised hell about Obama getting "foreign donations" in 2008 but accept political espionage on Trump's behave by Russia are hypocrites and can all go pound sand.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Serious question, isn't Trump committing a form of treason by asking the Russians to seek out Hillary's missing emails?
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It was obviously a flippant comment and not an invitation. His point was that if they've got the DNC emails, they probably have the other ones too.
 
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GAVol said:
Amazing how in months and months of media vetting and opposition research, the Trump/Russia connection didn't come to light until this week. A Russia connection would've gone over like a turd in a punchbowl during GOP primary season and Trump wouldn't have gotten within a mile of the RNC podium.

This is an easy planted narrative to spot.
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Actually, the notion that the Russians favor Trump has been around for quite awhile. Those concerns predate this controversy by many months.

What is new is 1) the fact that in the past two weeks the Trump campaign got involved in exactly ONE thing in the GOP platform -- yanking the Ukrainian resistance plank; and 2) the email leaks, which the cyber security people are saying was the work of the Russian government, and in particular Putin's allies.

Combine that with the already known facts:

1) Trump cannot get financing from American banks anymore for his various business ventures.

2) Trump and his family have acknowledged getting a lot of financing from Russian sources.

3) Trump has made a number of comments suggesting we back off of helping the Ukraine, and that we reduce our presence and role in NATO.

I'm not saying that Trump is pulling all these levers, or is getting direction from Moscow. What I am saying is that people need to consider the possibility that all of these astoundingly dumb ideas Trump has about the Ukraine and NATO do seem to be garnering him some support from a place that stands to benefit.
 
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carlos86 said:
Republicans who raised hell about Obama getting "foreign donations" in 2008 but accept political espionage on Trump's behave by Russia are hypocrites and can all go pound sand.
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The democrats would never be hypocrites. Or would they?
 
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carlos86 said:
Republicans who raised hell about Obama getting "foreign donations" in 2008 but accept political espionage on Trump's behave by Russia are hypocrites and can all go pound sand.
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Nobody even knows what happened yet and you've built a whole spy novel in a matter of hours.
 
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