The Trump-Russian connection and why both are doing what they are doing

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lawgator1 said:
I did not think Trump's comments yesterday were serious. Clearly, he was being sarcastic.

As I said before, I do not think Trump actually directed the hack. In fact, my guess is that the Russians routinely hack politicians and the parties. The issue is the release, and the timing.

People should ask why the Russians seem so motivated to help Trump win. Here's why:

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Had it not been for Khrushchev in the 1950's, Crimea wouldn't have been a part of Ukraine in the first place. Crimea has spent more time in the last 200 years under Russian control than Ukrainian control, and that was only by stroke of a pen, not Crimea fighting to join Ukraine.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For what must be at least the tenth time:

No, I do not think Trump directed, played a role in, or got a phone call about, the hacked emails by the Russkies.

I do think the Russian government would strongly prefer him over Clinton because they think he'd be more of a pushover on the Ukraine, and less likely to thwart their interventionism in Europe, generally. And that is in turn because Trump is unsophisticated about the issues presented.

And worse, when confronted with his ignorance, his response is to arrogantly proclaim himself right and accuse the questioner of bringing up an irrelevant issue. At least Palin had the sense to realize she did not know anything about these issues, and so she avoided them. Trump brags about his ignorance.
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Good post, and anyone who seriously thinks this is just some liberal media/DNC ploy to affect Trump support doesn't know their Russian intelligence ops. They've been exploiting cybercommunications to this same end in European elections for a decade now. Why should we be surprised to see them finally doing it here, especially now that they have such an opportunity with Trump? The FSB used its "neutral watchdog" civilian front, otherwise known as "Wikileaks," to funnel this information into the public. It has been using Wikileaks for such purposes almost since Wikileaks inception.

I would also add that it was long the aim, albeit a long-shot (even they would admit it) of the Kremlin to use secret intelligence ops to antagonize/exploit America's race problems to foment an all-out race/civil war in the US. The KGB never succeeded at this difficult task, but one would be remiss if he didn't think that its successor, the FSB, doesn't at least flirt with the same idea from time to time. I think we may be seeing this, at least in part, here too. I don't think it's a stretch to say that a Trump presidency will antagonize race relations to a degree not seen since the 60s. To throw him in this current batch of tensions would only exacerbate the matter. I think the Kremlin knows this.

But, as you say, the Kremlin is most likely primarily on his side because they realize how soft he really is and that he would pretty much allow them to do whatever they want. He would be a yappy, little Kremlin lapdog. And if he ever did so much as tweet a threat, Putin - the real tough guy - would put the collar back around him faster than Trump could get to his little pink, glitter fleeced water bowl.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Had it not been for Khrushchev in the 1950's, Crimea wouldn't have been a part of Ukraine in the first place. Crimea has spent more time in the last 200 years under Russian control than Ukrainian control, and that was only by stroke of a pen, not Crimea fighting to join Ukraine.
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And had it not been for Stalin's "Russification" of the Donbass in the 30s and his ethnic cleansing of the Tatars in Crimea during the war, neither of those places would be majority ethnic Russian.

What's your point?
 
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volprof said:
And had it not been for Stalin's "Russification" of the Donbass in the 30s and his ethnic cleansing of the Tatars in Crimea during the war, neither of those places would be majority ethnic Russian.

What's your point?
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volprof said:
Good post, and anyone who seriously thinks this is just some liberal media/DNC ploy to affect Trump support doesn't know their Russian intelligence ops. They've been exploiting cybercommunications to this same end in European elections for a decade now. Why should we be surprised to see them finally doing it here, especially now that they have such an opportunity with Trump? The FSB used its "neutral watchdog" civilian front, otherwise known as "Wikileaks," to funnel this information into the public. It has been using Wikileaks for such purposes almost since Wikileaks inception.

I would also add that it was long the aim, albeit a long-shot (even they would admit it) of the Kremlin to use secret intelligence ops to antagonize/exploit America's race problems to foment an all-out race/civil war in the US. The KGB never succeeded at this difficult task, but one would be remiss if he didn't think that its successor, the FSB, doesn't at least flirt with the same idea from time to time. I think we may be seeing this, at least in part, here too. I don't think it's a stretch to say that a Trump presidency will antagonize race relations to a degree not seen since the 60s. To throw him in this current batch of tensions would only exacerbate the matter. I think the Kremlin knows this.

But, as you say, the Kremlin is most likely primarily on his side because they realize how soft he really is and that he would pretty much allow them to do whatever they want. He would be a yappy, little Kremlin lapdog. And if he ever did so much as tweet a threat, Putin - the real tough guy - would put the collar back around him faster than Trump could get to his little pink, glitter fleeced water bowl.
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How long has the DNC been rigging elections?

As far as the liberal media goes, I do not believe anything they report. It has been proven they are spoon feed agendas by the liberal democrats.

As far as being soft, it's already been proven how soft the libs, Obama, and Clinton are or should I say how corrupt.
 
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lawgator1 said:
For what must be at least the tenth time:

No, I do not think Trump directed, played a role in, or got a phone call about, the hacked emails by the Russkies.

I do think the Russian government would strongly prefer him over Clinton because they think he'd be more of a pushover on the Ukraine, and less likely to thwart their interventionism in Europe, generally. And that is in turn because Trump is unsophisticated about the issues presented.

And worse, when confronted with his ignorance, his response is to arrogantly proclaim himself right and accuse the questioner of bringing up an irrelevant issue. At least Palin had the sense to realize she did not know anything about these issues, and so she avoided them. Trump brags about his ignorance.
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Look up Uranium One. I would say that Hillary has done more to arm the Ruskies and would therefore be a favorite over Trump.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Look up Uranium One. I would say that Hillary has done more to arm the Ruskies and would therefore be a favorite over Trump.
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Funny that this is overlooked in all the commotion of the email scandal. The content of the emails are overlooked, the deals Clinton made are overlooked, everything is bypassed in order to create the faux outrage on what Trump said.
 
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volprof said:
I would also add that it was long the aim, albeit a long-shot (even they would admit it) of the Kremlin to use secret intelligence ops to antagonize/exploit America's race problems to foment an all-out race/civil war in the US. The KGB never succeeded at this difficult task, but one would be remiss if he didn't think that its successor, the FSB, doesn't at least flirt with the same idea from time to time. I think we may be seeing this, at least in part, here too. I don't think it's a stretch to say that a Trump presidency will antagonize race relations to a degree not seen since the 60s. To throw him in this current batch of tensions would only exacerbate the matter. I think the Kremlin knows this.
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Obama must be a Russian plant. I mean, like Manchurian level ops. Flash an ace of spades and he stirs race relations with a cattle prod while lambasting cops..
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Obama must be a Russian plant. I mean, like Manchurian level ops. Flash an ace of spades and he stirs race relations with a cattle prod while lambasting cops..
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Obama has done some very stupid things regarding race. The latest of note was calling the mother of Philando Castile to give his condolences. That's basically a giant "F-you" to law enforcement, whether he intended it or not.

But don't think for one second that Obama's time is the nadir of race relations in this country in the twenty-first-century. Trump's level of rhetoric regarding race, religion, ethnicity, coupled with his praise of violence (whether it be for comic effect or not), is something we've not seen in our modern presidential history. You throw this guy into the fray as president and there is no telling what may result. I call him the "Race War Candidate," not necessarily because I think that the inevitable outcome of a Trump presidency, but because I think it a grave possibility.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
How long has the DNC been rigging elections?

As far as the liberal media goes, I do not believe anything they report. It has been proven they are spoon feed agendas by the liberal democrats.

As far as being soft, it's already been proven how soft the libs, Obama, and Clinton are or should I say how corrupt.
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Clinton is not soft on foreign policy. I'm not quite sure where this misconception comes from. And by "not soft," I don't necessarily mean "good." I just mean that she is a hawk in the Neocon tradition (because she is one). She's Dick Cheney-lite. But, yes, Obama is "soft" on foreign policy, but he at least doesn't do anything too stupid, like invade Iraq.

I'm sure the DNC has been rigging elections a long time. But this isn't about the DNC rigging elections or the liberal media; this is about Russia seeking to affect our presidential election, like it has done with elections throughout Europe the past decade. This hack has all the trademarks of a Russian op. That it was released by Wikileaks make it all the more certain, as Wikileaks and Assange (just like Snowden) are Russian fronts.

Speaking of Snowden, a top Kremlin official went on record last month that Snowden has indeed been working for the Kremlin, and it got absolutely no media attention whatsoever. I don't think it even registered here. I've been saying all along that the Snowden story shared all the hallmarks of a classic Russian op, updated a bit for the era of cybercommunications and 24/7 media. Anyhow, I guess whatever it was the Kremlin thought Eddie was worth to them, it was no longer worth publicly hiding his cover. And as Admiral Greer says in "The Hunt for Red October," "Russians don't take a dump, son, without a plan." Russians always have a plan; they can't afford not to - they're too geographically and economically vulnerable. Americans are the only ones permitted the freedom of idiocy, due to our geographical security.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Funny that this is overlooked in all the commotion of the email scandal. The content of the emails are overlooked, the deals Clinton made are overlooked, everything is bypassed in order to create the faux outrage on what Trump said.
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False.

The content of the emails have not been overlooked. They are proof that the DNC screwed over Bernie, and Wasserman was forced out.

The Russian connection to Trump is epically more important to everyone, and to the country on the whole.

Sorry pal, no way you guys gloss over this one.
 
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lawgator1 said:
False.

The content of the emails have not been overlooked. They are proof that the DNC screwed over Bernie, and Wasserman was forced out.

The Russian connection to Trump is epically more important to everyone, and to the country on the whole.

Sorry pal, no way you guys gloss over this one.
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The term "important" is in the eye of the beholder.

And I'd much rather see the Clinton Foundation donor list than some wild ass theory that Trump has Russian connections.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The term "important" is in the eye of the beholder.

And I'd much rather see the Clinton Foundation donor list than some wild ass theory that Trump has Russian connections.
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Wild ass theory? Are you on drugs?

He has REPEATEDLY made comments that the Russians and Putin love. He's basically giving them the green light to go into Ukraine, and offered very little resolve in Europe.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wild ass theory? Are you on drugs?

He has REPEATEDLY made comments that the Russians and Putin love. He's basically giving them the green light to go into Ukraine, and offered very little resolve in Europe.
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Will Uranium One be on the front line?
 
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LG wants his threads to stay bumped to top.

VN is being trolled by LG who is probably a paid DNC lapdog.

(Makes as much sense as LG's allegations in at least two threads)

Stop feeding the troll.

Let LG's threads fade into oblivion during the general election.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wild ass theory? Are you on drugs?

He has REPEATEDLY made comments that the Russians and Putin love. He's basically giving them the green light to go into Ukraine, and offered very little resolve in Europe.
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You still haven't addressed why Trump'so alleged connection to Putin is more or less relevant than Hillary'so involvement in Uranium One.
 
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lawgator1 said:
George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs | TheHill


George Will, who we all know is no fan of Trump's is suggesting that the reason Trump seems to keep announcing policy positions endearing to the Russians is because he is financially connected to and indeed dependent on them. He suggests that one reason Trump won't release his tax returns is that they will show that Trump is indebted to the Russians, and Putin and his allies, in particular.




So let's examine this in a bit more detail, to see if there is any "there" there. And when you look into it, it is quite alarming and ominous.

Why George Will Might Be Right About Vladimir Putin's Hold Over Donald Trump (VIDEO) | RedState




Trump has screwed over US banks and other banks in the West. They won't deal with him. But he and the family are getting tons of money from Russia. And his campaign manager wants him to take a soft line on Russia in the Ukraine. And his campaign made ONE change to the platform -- back off of contesting Putin in the Ukraine.

This is not going away, folks.
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You got him LG!!!!!
 
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lawgator1 said:
George Will raises possible Trump link to Russian oligarchs | TheHill


George Will, who we all know is no fan of Trump's is suggesting that the reason Trump seems to keep announcing policy positions endearing to the Russians is because he is financially connected to and indeed dependent on them. He suggests that one reason Trump won't release his tax returns is that they will show that Trump is indebted to the Russians, and Putin and his allies, in particular.




So let's examine this in a bit more detail, to see if there is any "there" there. And when you look into it, it is quite alarming and ominous.

Why George Will Might Be Right About Vladimir Putin's Hold Over Donald Trump (VIDEO) | RedState




Trump has screwed over US banks and other banks in the West. They won't deal with him. But he and the family are getting tons of money from Russia. And his campaign manager wants him to take a soft line on Russia in the Ukraine. And his campaign made ONE change to the platform -- back off of contesting Putin in the Ukraine.

This is not going away, folks.
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lawgator1 said:
False.

The content of the emails have not been overlooked. They are proof that the DNC screwed over Bernie, and Wasserman was forced out.

The Russian connection to Trump is epically more important to everyone, and to the country on the whole.

Sorry pal, no way you guys gloss over this one.
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Is Russia better off since Trump took over? He has bombed them, continued sanctions against them, jumped right into their s**t in Syria versus ISIS. Oh yeah, ISIS the group that Obama could not find a way to stop. Looks like a lack of control to me. But go ahead with your theory, Trump needs money, dependent on Russia, Russian puppet.
 
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