The Sobering Truth....

#27
#27
Other_Guy said:
The truth is Worley was what kept this team from getting blown out against OU or UGA
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maybe,but he is the one that lost the game yesterday.
needs to learn to read a defense,know when and how to
audible at the line of scrimmage,pull the ball and run when he has nothing but green field in front of him.:rock::rock:
 
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Its easier to come up with another cute motto than to change the offense. BTW its the only system they know. They should charge what its worth to watch. Players are not to blame here, they have tried to drag this rock.
 
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IPleadInsanity said:
Its easier to come up with another cute motto than to change the offense. BTW its the only system they know. They should charge what its worth to watch. Players are not to blame here, they have tried to drag this rock.
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thank you thank you and again thank you. Anyone blaming the players are blinded with Butch Man Love
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Agree. He would be much better in Chaney's Offense.
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Yep. And it wouldn't even have to be a full make over.

Just take a few plays from that offense and give it a shot anyway.

Or they could keep asking him and the RB's to get treated like tackling dummies.
 
#32
#32
North needs to learn to beat press coverage; that is why he only got four balls yesterday. He has to learn to handle physical coverage.
Worley has to see the weakside pressure. He played a pretty good game yesterday up to that point. But one mistake like that can turn a ballgame. It sure did yesterday. As a senior he has to see that coming. It was not from his blindside.
With our RBs banged up and Hurd perhaps out for awhile, the OC and his staff, with Butch's leadership, must change our offense NOW. Drop the read option UNLESS Worley is going to keep the darn ball occasionally. Adapt the offense to our current players.
We had 8 penalties yesterday. We turned the ball over in the red zone. We kicked field goals instead of TDs. We got sacked 6 times. He averaged one yard per rushing attempt. Yet we still should have won the ballgame. We are struggling to learn how to win. But anybody that does not see the improvement, from top to bottom, of our team since Dooley left isn't being honest......
Growing pains are painful. But we are growing.
 
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vol81 said:
Not only is this team young but the staff, particularly on offense, is young as far as knowing what it takes to win in the brutal SEC. Our OC, like Butch, has coached in 10 SEC conference games. We are 2-8 in those games. That must change. Our offensive staff obviously is still learning. Janeck, Thig and Martinez on the D side have been through the SEC wars with other teams. I don't think its coincidence that our D is performing more at a winning SEC level that the O.
The O staff needs to show some growing pains, as do the players. The young but talented receivers played young yesterday. The OL took a step back. The OC did not call a good game yesterday. He called a good game at UGA. UTC will be a glorified scrimmage, then the stretch that will define the season starts. This team needs its fans to stay behind them now more than ever. They are giving their all for Tennessee. They know more than us that yesterday was a game we should have won......
I am a firm believer that Butch Jones is the right guy to run our program. No matter how this season turns out that wont change for me.
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So now our coaches need more experience? Are you s9$%ting me with that excuse. Mark Stoops hasn't had to learn on the job in his 2nd year at Kentucky. He's just winning with a less talented and equally young team as ours. Hugh Freeze, in a very similar situation to Butch's situation, led his team to an 8-5 record in his second year, and is now sitting at 5-0. These excuses are unbelievable.
 
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bhouston79 said:
So now our coaches need more experience? Are you s9$%ting me with that excuse. Mark Stoops hasn't had to learn on the job in his 2nd year at Kentucky. He's just winning with a less talented and equally young team as ours. Hugh Freeze, in a very similar situation to Butch's situation, led his team to an 8-5 record in his second year, and is now sitting at 5-0. These excuses are unbelievable.
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You understand most of these posters defended Dooley tooth and nail
 
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bhouston79 said:
So now our coaches need more experience? Are you s9$%ting me with that excuse. Mark Stoops hasn't had to learn on the job in his 2nd year at Kentucky. He's just winning with a less talented and equally young team as ours. Hugh Freeze, in a very similar situation to Butch's situation, led his team to an 8-5 record in his second year, and is now sitting at 5-0. These excuses are unbelievable.
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Its not an excuse. Its reality. Some of you fans are living through the looking glass in fairyland. Im not happy about Butch and our OC not adapting the game plan when we were up 9-0 late in the third qtr with UF not having crossed our 30 yd line. Worley should not have been throwing that pass on 2 and 5. Worley should have seen the heat coming. That one play turned the whole game upside down.
I just think some of you fans need to find another team IF you expect perfection and immediate gratification.
I was not a Dooley fan by mid year 3.
I am not a sunshine pumper. I am a realist.
 
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vol81 said:
Its not an excuse. Its reality. Some of you fans are living through the looking glass in fairyland. Im not happy about Butch and our OC not adapting the game plan when we were up 9-0 late in the third qtr with UF not having crossed our 30 yd line. Worley should not have been throwing that pass on 2 and 5. Worley should have seen the heat coming. That one play turned the whole game upside down.
I just think some of you fans need to find another team IF you expect perfection and immediate gratification.
I was not a Dooley fan by mid year 3.
I am not a sunshine pumper. I am a realist.
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Exactly what I said when he got hit and fumbled. Why was he dropping back to throw a deep ball on our side of the field when we had already shown we couldn't protect him and we were ahead 9-0. Coaching ( on the offensive side of the ball) was pretty bad yesterday.
 
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#39
A buddy of mine said that Doug Matthews made this same point this morning on his show and went on to say how he did the same thing when he was at Tennessee (failed to adjust a game plan midgame) that cost UT a loss to Alabama in a year when we went 11-1. We have to hope that our coaches learn from the experience. Now if we had went in a shell, and UF had rallied with the new QB to beat us by going the length of the field, many would be saying how we played not to lose/got too conservative. It is a double edged sword and you only know which is the correct decision after you know the result!
I really think 7-5 is do-able, and 6-6 likely this year which is exactly where most sober, reasonable minded people hoped we would be. Im just glad that the team doesn't have the attitude of some of our delusional fanbase that like to post on these boards. If they did we would not win more than one or two more games this year.
Remember to Ignore the Trolls............
 
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vol81 said:
I really think 7-5 is do-able, and 6-6 likely this year which is exactly most all sober, reasonable minded people hoped we would be.
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I don't think most people think 7-5 is doable and 6-6 is likely.
 
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Catbone said:
I don't think most people think 7-5 is doable and 6-6 is likely.
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I meant at the start of the year. Even now most of the UT media talking heads still think that's where we can end up. Jimmy Hyams who is anything but a homer, said so on the Football Finals show after the game. He thinks we can beat Missouri and/or SC, in addition to UTC Vandy and Ky. Notice I said "can", not will.
That's why I think 7-5 is do-able, with 6-6 more likely.
We could end up 5-7, or worse if we continue to end games like we did yesterday, but I prefer to believe that we will grow from the experience and start to finish games that we have a chance to win.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
I totally support Butch Jones. Love our coach. We need some SEC caliber linemen. Their coming. I am also very interested in what Coach Doug Mathews will say this morning on his radio show about this. Coach Matthews said a few weeks ago that this Oline is too small and not strong enough to be good in the SEC. The best he hoped for was for them to be serviceable until we get better, bigger, stronger Olinemen in. Jack Jones is coming.:)
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I hear you D but there are sobering realities here. 1. None of our OL recruits, with the exception of maybe Stewart, project as an OT, which is where we are woefully undermanned right now. 2. As much as I love Jack, he's gonna need a year or two in our strength & Cond program before he can contribute.... He's only about 275 right now. 3. Beyond Jack, it shouldn't be expected that any 2015 OL recruit is gonna contribute next year. We have to hope that the current OL we have just makes great improvement all around.
 
#43
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vol81 said:
Not only is this team young but the staff, particularly on offense, is young as far as knowing what it takes to win in the brutal SEC. Our OC, like Butch, has coached in 10 SEC conference games. We are 2-8 in those games. That must change. Our offensive staff obviously is still learning. Janeck, Thig and Martinez on the D side have been through the SEC wars with other teams. I don't think its coincidence that our D is performing more at a winning SEC level that the O.
The O staff needs to show some growing pains, as do the players. The young but talented receivers played young yesterday. The OL took a step back. The OC did not call a good game yesterday. He called a good game at UGA. UTC will be a glorified scrimmage, then the stretch that will define the season starts. This team needs its fans to stay behind them now more than ever. They are giving their all for Tennessee. They know more than us that yesterday was a game we should have won......
I am a firm believer that Butch Jones is the right guy to run our program. No matter how this season turns out that wont change for me.
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I dislike writing long posts with opinions that have probably already been discussed many times over. It is much easier to just give a post that comes close to my opinion a thumbs up. Nice work.:yes:
 
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vol81 said:
Its not an excuse. Its reality. Some of you fans are living through the looking glass in fairyland. Im not happy about Butch and our OC not adapting the game plan when we were up 9-0 late in the third qtr with UF not having crossed our 30 yd line. Worley should not have been throwing that pass on 2 and 5. Worley should have seen the heat coming. That one play turned the whole game upside down.
I just think some of you fans need to find another team IF you expect perfection and immediate gratification.
I was not a Dooley fan by mid year 3.
I am not a sunshine pumper. I am a realist.
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How dare you tell me to follow another team just because I expect us to beat a really bad Florida team that we were actually favored to beat, and who attempted many times to give us the game on a silver platter! You are no better than me, and you have no right to question my credentials as a fan merely because I am starting question whether Butch is the real deal or just a gimmicky snake oil salesman with clever slogans. My allegiance is to the team and the program, not any individual coach. I obviously want our coach to succeed, but I and every other fan out there who pays for tickets, merchandise, ect. has the right to demand accountability from our head coach, who is making millions off of our dime. You can disagree with me if you like, and you can choose to blindly believe everything that he or any other head coach that we have had in the past or will have in the future says. But please don't question my or any other fan's loyalty to this program. I have pulled for out team through thick and thin. I supported us when we started out 5-6 in 1988. I supported us throughout the good times beginning in 1989 up until Fulmer's last year. And I have been the last few years of misery just like everyone else. But it really gets on my nerves when posters like you equate criticism of our coach with questioning our allegiance to this team and this program.
 
#45
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Im just trying to save you a stroke or heart attack Houston. Your expectations are not reasonable. This game was rated a toss up. UF was originally favored by Vegas but the bettors bet the line to UT being favored by 2-3. We should have won the game, no question. That hurts. But to go ape-$hit wild crazy like posters like you seem to do is unproductive for anyone. Excuses? I gave reasons. There are no excuses. We lost the game. It sucks. The coaches made some errors, as did the players. Some were at critical times. But it doesn't mean you give up on a coach like you seem to be doing. Not at this stage. Its a quitters mentality that you have. And its not good for your health. Negativity breeds negativity. Of course you have a right to your opinion, just like I do.
My opinion is that the best way to support the program and team right now is to support those that are leading team 118. Period. Do you think you are doing that by posting emotional tirades that you and your like do? You think they coach better because people like you call them snake oil salesmen? Is that productive or good for the "program" you profess to support, no matter what? It doesn't take much to show the folly of you and yours......
 
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#46
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vol81 said:
Not only is this team young but the staff, particularly on offense, is young as far as knowing what it takes to win in the brutal SEC. Our OC, like Butch, has coached in 10 SEC conference games. We are 2-8 in those games. That must change. Our offensive staff obviously is still learning. Janeck, Thig and Martinez on the D side have been through the SEC wars with other teams. I don't think its coincidence that our D is performing more at a winning SEC level that the O.
The O staff needs to show some growing pains, as do the players. The young but talented receivers played young yesterday. The OL took a step back. The OC did not call a good game yesterday. He called a good game at UGA. UTC will be a glorified scrimmage, then the stretch that will define the season starts. This team needs its fans to stay behind them now more than ever. They are giving their all for Tennessee. They know more than us that yesterday was a game we should have won......
I am a firm believer that Butch Jones is the right guy to run our program. No matter how this season turns out that wont change for me.
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We'll know everything we need to know next year. We'll have 19 of 22 starters returning. Looks like we're returning virtually our entire two-deep sans A.J. Johnson, Jordan Williams, and Worley. As for the coaches, it will be their third season together in this league (Thig, Jancek, and Martinez already have a lot of experience in the SEC). With that being said, we'll no longer have to hear anything about bricks, processes, youth, or inexperience.
 
#47
#47
Gannon:
I agree completely. We should compete for the SEC East next year.

There is a huge difference between being bitterly disappointed, upset and mad about yesterday's loss and giving up on this staff and team. The former is to be expected, the latter is unacceptable IMHO.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
We'll know everything we need to know next year. We'll have 19 of 22 starters returning. Looks like we're returning virtually our entire two-deep sans A.J. Johnson, Jordan Williams, and Worley. As for the coaches, it will be their third season together in this league (Thig, Jancek, and Martinez already have a lot of experience in the SEC). With that being said, we'll no longer have to hear anything about bricks, processes, youth, or inexperience.
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Yep. The SEC won't have UT to kick around then.

... Oh crap!
 
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