The Real Issue: The Administration

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Big Jim is not that heavily involved in athletic decisions since one son disgraced the Pilot name he had worked so hard to build. He said that was the hardest thing he had faced since his first wife died. After the Title 9 settlement,no one wanted to deal with athletics until new Chancellor hired and she can hire AD she is comfortable with.
 
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Dustin4Vols said:
I am glad we didn't hire Charlie strong. But at the time he was a hot commodity. My question is how do you let him say no to you to stay at Louisville. Freaking Louisville. If we couldn't convince strong (which look how awful he turned out) then what makes anyone think we can hire a big time coach
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The Vol program was a stinking cesspool at the time and he had Louisville on the rise.

Too many have no appreciation for what Jones has done in his four years.
 
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The bottom line is for the second consecutive year the football program has averaged 100,000+ money is rolling in, music city bowl was a success. When admin looks at the books everyone there is satisfied. Success without winning big is acceptable in business.
 
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IMO. Most on here who say to stop going to games and stop buying UT probably have never donated a dime nor go to a game unless get a free ticket or buy one at great discount. Personally, I willcontinie to contribute, continue to buy season tickets, continue to drive 6 hours every football Friday and be a part of my university. I hope we get a great OC, and CBJ. And coaches learn from past seasons. I hope we win a bunch next year and will be there sporting my new 2017 Nike gear next fall. GBO and hope to see 100,000 there with me.
 
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Catbone said:
The AD mess tells me winning is not being taken seriously
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This. The AD mess tells me that Tennessee athletics will have to get lucky to do anything of relevance in my lifetime. I love Tennessee but the BOT is an absolute obstacle to the school doing anything at present.
 
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Dustin4Vols said:
Why was butch hired in the first place though? When he leaves and looking at our past hires we are just going to hire the coach from the university of Mount Vernon
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Because our first 9 options (slight hyperbole) didn't want the job.
 
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Dustin4Vols said:
I can't remember how many times I have posted this but we aren't going to get any better unless we get have a competent administration. I hope this new chancellor we have is he right one and I hope we get the right AD as well. Look at our football and both basketball programs. Until this university gets more serious about athletics this is what we have to get used too. Right now we have "program stabilizer" coaches that aren't even doing a great job at that. All this is starting to remind me of Dooley/Hamilton all over again.
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UT takes its athletics very seriously. Any suggestion that we don't is nonsense. We might not be as obsessed as alabama, which struggled for years before it spent massively to hire Saban and has also been the biggest cheater in college football, but we take football, and every other sport, seriously. We are handicapped by being a state that has very few elite high-school athletes--probably fewer than any state in the SEC except MAYBE kentucky. Eighty or more percent of our recruits, all sports, come from other states: that is a serious disadvantage. UT also isn't exactly an elite academic institution, which can also be an advantage. Combine that with the fact that the SEC is a dog-eat-dog conference and titles don't come easily. Could we do better? Of course, there is always room for improvement in every aspect of athletics. But it has nothing to do with commitment by the university.
 
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Our President is weak and has allowed our University to continue to float without direction or intent. We can't get easy thing right. AD hire is a lay up. You think about Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Ohio State, Mississippi State, LSU, they have strong leandership and operate with intent.

Our administration is an embarrassment to the state, and university. We are weak. We constantly invest in brick and mortar and refuse to invest in people. Makes me sick, it's why I no longer donate or financially support the university other than buying Vol gear.
 
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armchair said:
UT takes its athletics very seriously. Any suggestion that we don't is nonsense. We might not be as obsessed as alabama, which struggled for years before it spent massively to hire Saban and has also been the biggest cheater in college football, but we take football, and every other sport, seriously. We are handicapped by being a state that has very few elite high-school athletes--probably fewer than any state in the SEC except MAYBE kentucky. Eighty or more percent of our recruits, all sports, come from other states: that is a serious disadvantage. UT also isn't exactly an elite academic institution, which can also be an advantage. Combine that with the fact that the SEC is a dog-eat-dog conference and titles don't come easily. Could we do better? Of course, there is always room for improvement in every aspect of athletics. But it has nothing to do with commitment by the university.
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Show me one decision, financial investment in people or direction that shows we take athletics seriously.

We take the money generated from football seriously. That's not a commitment to athletics that's cashing a check.
 
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The administration has done what it needed to do. It went out and got a coach that would come in and right the ship, clean up the mess that Hamilton left, and rebuild the roster. Butch has done that and will be given one more year and a nice buyout as a thank you for doing so. The biggest problem I see is half the fan base cannot see that Butch was/is never going to be anything more than that.
 
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You guys remind me of an old TV commercial with, without a doubt, the ugliest little girl ever on Television. "It's Shake and Bake. And I helped."

You all expect there is a simple formula to create a instant championship program, and Tennessee winning is a birthright. And once a coach is hired, you all set a date on your cell phone calendar. And when it goes off, you have decided if a championship isn't won by then, it is time to fire the coach. You guys are why we are the most annoying fan base. And that is also part of the reason why those coaches you want will not come here. They never will take the job.

But a large part of that is the UT administration. Some of their actions (or lack thereof) over the years has made the fan base crazier than all the coaches put together could manage. Will getting the right AD help change that? We can only hope.
 
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Dustin4Vols said:
Administration needs to get this AD hire right. Where our basketball programs heading?I know our men's basketball program isn't Kentucky or anything but man alive.
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I give Fulmer this he was right UT football changed when battle left in early 2000s. It was never right from top down again and still isnt. Single example will be that I put money on Bama going to Dabo and paying whatever it takes when Saban retires. UT won't and hasn't done that. Not a negavol but I'm not sure we will ever win big until administration invests for us t ok win big
 
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Carl Pickens said:
The Vol program was a stinking cesspool at the time and he had Louisville on the rise.

Too many have no appreciation for what Jones has done in his four years.
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Im thankful he isn't Dooley. But alot of fans care about.the wins and loses.
 
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TNnative said:
You guys remind me of an old TV commercial with, without a doubt, the ugliest little girl ever on Television. "It's Shake and Bake. And I helped."

You all expect there is a simple formula to create a instant championship program, and Tennessee winning is a birthright. And once a coach is hired, you all set a date on your cell phone calendar. And when it goes off, you have decided if a championship isn't won by then, it is time to fire the coach. You guys are why we are the most annoying fan base. And that is also part of the reason why those coaches you want will not come here. They never will take the job.

But a large part of that is the UT administration. Some of their actions (or lack thereof) over the years has made the fan base crazier than all the coaches put together could manage. Will getting the right AD help change that? We can only hope.
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The most hungriest fanbase...we are annoyed bc this administration have failed the fans.

Other teams have gotten it right. It's time to stop the silly mess and get it right
 
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25801VOL said:
Our President is weak and has allowed our University to continue to float without direction or intent. We can't get easy thing right. AD hire is a lay up. You think about Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Ohio State, Mississippi State, LSU, they have strong leandership and operate with intent.

Our administration is an embarrassment to the state, and university. We are weak. We constantly invest in brick and mortar and refuse to invest in people. Makes me sick, it's why I no longer donate or financially support the university other than buying Vol gear.
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I salute you sir. You are right on. I think we may have weak boosters as well. The uncommitted, mediocre admin don't deserve donations imo
 
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I know everyone wants to hate on the academic people, but they're not the ones who have f***ed up Tennessee sports. Blame Phil Fulmer -- he's the one who personally installed Mike Hamilton as AD because he thought he'd be a puppet. And Mike Hamilton screwed up everything.
 
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Dustin4Vols said:
I can't remember how many times I have posted this but we aren't going to get any better unless we get have a competent administration. I hope this new chancellor we have is he right one and I hope we get the right AD as well. Look at our football and both basketball programs. Until this university gets more serious about athletics this is what we have to get used too. Right now we have "program stabilizer" coaches that aren't even doing a great job at that. All this is starting to remind me of Dooley/Hamilton all over again.
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I may get roasted on this, and don't know too much about Blackburn (he seems like good fit and checks boxes + being UT guy, which can't be under estimated)...but to me, Fulmer should be considered because we need a stabilizing force, who has good reputation among sports community (respect of coaching industry), and been successful in business, which is important dealing w/ boosters. Heck, if Bama can hire a fired UT coach as AD, maybe we can too.

I do agree that something feels amiss...hope it's not a smoke=fire deal. Feel like we're under an NCAA investigation, as long as this is dragging on.
 
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