The Problems with Trans-ideology

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NashVol11 said:
My point exactly, just deflecting, "yawn" and "ok" because you know just as well as I do that it's based on fear and hypotheticals rather than any actual result
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We gave you world record holders and D1 champions. And they still weren’t enough for you. You’re setting an impossible standard and then attempting to use that standard to proclaim victory over reality.

The obvious reality that anyone who is being honest has to accept is that there’s numerous advantages males maintain in sports over females regardless of hormone therapy. Some of them are even improved by hormone therapy
 
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Vol8188 said:
We gave you world record holders and D1 champions. And they still weren’t enough for you. You’re setting an impossible standard and then attempting to use that standard to proclaim victory over reality.

The obvious reality that anyone who is being honest has to accept is that there’s numerous advantages males maintain in sports over females regardless of hormone therapy. Some of them are even improved by hormone therapy
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You're welcome to cling to age 35-44 200m sprinters. Like I said, there's no sport where one of the best players is trans and there never has been
 
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Vol8188 said:
NCAA champions and world record holders are “one of the best”.
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Lia Thomas isn't one of the best women's freestyle swimmers and Rachel whoever isn't one of the best female cyclists, and neither ever was. Both would get destroyed by the biological women who are/were actually the best
 
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NashVol11 said:
My point exactly, just deflecting, "yawn" and "ok" because you know just as well as I do that it's based on fear and hypotheticals rather than "dominance" in practice
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Nobody cares if they dominate or not. It’s absurd. It’s ridiculous women/girls are being subjected to this nonsense and all it entails. A dude that is so off in the head he thinks he’s a chic has more issues he needs to deal with than ruining sports for females.
 
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C-south said:
Nobody cares if they dominate or not. It’s absurd. It’s ridiculous women/girls are being subjected to this nonsense and all it entails. A dude that is so off in the head he thinks he’s a chic has more issues he needs to deal with than ruining sports for females.
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I think it is pretty whiny to claim that like 0.1% trans participation in a sport where they don't dominate at all and rarely win is "ruining" it
 
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NashVol11 said:
I think it is pretty whiny to claim that like 0.1% trans participation in a sport where they don't dominate at all and rarely win is "ruining" it
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Who’s claiming trans people ruin the WNBA?

Is there a level to this that would change your mind?

If one day 3/5 of the starters on an all star team were trans, would you reconsider your stance?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Who’s claiming trans people ruin the WNBA?

Is there a level to this that would change your mind?

If one day 3/5 of the starters on an all star team were trans, would you reconsider your stance?
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Absolutely, if like 8 of the top 10 players in the WNBA were trans I would understand the argument. Even then, I think the league could address it at the time rather than banning all trans women from sports "preemptively" when it hasn't resulted in any of the "dominance" people keep implying it will
 
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Vol8188 said:
Apparently I missed this years ago.

I did and don’t. Especially if your mom’s a whore. I learned the man who raised me wasn’t my father. I think he knew, and if so I respect him even more for never telling me. It’s been wild.

But in all honesty, it’s cool information to have
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Damn, dude. Bumped a 3 yr old post to share that nugget 😳
 
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NashVol11 said:
I think it is pretty whiny to claim that like 0.1% trans participation in a sport where they don't dominate at all and rarely win is "ruining" it
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I think it’s more whiny that they have 0 self awareness to realize how messed up in the head they are and that men playing sports against women is ridiculous. And you’re finally right about one thing, 0.1% should have no say in the matter and shouldn’t ruin anything for real women. Like the old saying goes, “the inmates are running the asylum.”
 
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NashVol11 said:
Absolutely, if like 8 of the top 10 players in the WNBA were trans I would understand the argument. Even then, I think the league could address it at the time rather than banning all trans women from sports "preemptively" when it hasn't resulted in any of the "dominance" people keep implying it will
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Those 8 spots should belong to real women. There’s irony how some of you argue for “women's rights” on one hand and defend this tranny lunacy to the death.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Lia Thomas isn't one of the best women's freestyle swimmers and Rachel whoever isn't one of the best female cyclists, and neither ever was. Both would get destroyed by the biological women who are/were actually the best
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Cycling, like several sports, has age categories. Rachel McKinnon picked up cycling after her transition and demolished a bunch of women in her age category that had been training and competing their entire lives.
 
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bamawriter said:
Cycling, like several sports, has age categories. Rachel McKinnon picked up cycling after her transition and demolished a bunch of women in her age category that had been training and competing their entire lives.
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As a woman, I do not know how other women support this kind of BS.. I think they are just too afraid of the backlash for disagreeing with it
 
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LadyVolette said:
As a woman, I do not know how other women support this kind of BS.. I think they are just too afraid of the backlash for disagreeing with it
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Plenty of people can see 0.1% of the population win a race every now and then without trying to segregate them out of sports. There is far more backlash for standing up for trans people than for piling on and bullying them
 
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NashVol11 said:
I think it is pretty whiny to claim that like 0.1% trans participation in a sport where they don't dominate at all and rarely win is "ruining" it
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The female athletes that compete against these trans disagree with you. Why can't you just say "men should not be allowed to compete in women's sports?" It boggles my mind that liberals like you hem and haw, deflect etc etc to avoid saying that. It's not a tough call
 
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Sea Ray said:
The female athletes that compete against these trans disagree with you.
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Almost all of them don't. A few opportunists certainly do
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Why can't you just say "men should not be allowed to compete in women's sports?" It boggles my mind that liberals like you hem and haw, deflect etc etc to avoid saying that. It's not a tough call
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Men don't compete in women's sports, which is why there are hormone requirements etc. for trans women to participate
 
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NashVol11 said:
Almost all of them don't. A few opportunists certainly do

Men don't compete in women's sports, which is why there are hormone requirements etc. for trans women to participate
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Taking hormones does not change your sex. That's where you're misguided. Men in my family who've been treated for prostate cancer were treated with estrogen. It didn't change their sex. Lebron doesn't qualify for the WNBA if you give him two years of hormone treatments
 
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bamawriter said:
Cycling, like several sports, has age categories. Rachel McKinnon picked up cycling after her transition and demolished a bunch of women in her age category that had been training and competing their entire lives.
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Does it have age categories for major races? Does the Tour de France have 8 winners per year for different age groups or one winner? What about the UCI Women's World Tour? Or are you just citing the equivalent of the Senior PGA Tour
 
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NashVol11 said:
Does it have age categories for major races? Does the Tour de France have 8 winners per year for different age groups or one winner? What about the UCI Women's World Tour? Or are you just citing the equivalent of the Senior PGA Tour
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Stage races rarely divide up by age because the expense and logistics would be near impossible.

But that's neither here nor there when it comes to McKinnon because track cycling is a different sport. And your comparison to the Senior Tour is apt, though you're strangely dismissive of it. The Senior Tour is populated by golfers who spent years, if not decades, competing at the highest levels of golf. The UCI Masters division isn't just a bunch of old folks out for a Sunday ride. And in fact, folks in the Masters age category have won general classification titles

Maybe find out a little about the sport before pretending that setting a world record a few years after picking up the sport is no big deal.

And, for what it's worth, Austin Killips won a UCI stage race before the UCI revised their rules.
 
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