The Problems with Trans-ideology

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Vol8188 said:
There’s examples of professional trans athletes, 100%. Going back to tennis in either the 70s or 80s, Fallon Fox more recently, and others.
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So each of them were the best player in the world in their particular sport, right? Or were they nowhere close to as good as several biological women competing with them
 
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@NashVol11 are you just bored?

You do accept the obvious fact that men have numerous and evident physical advantages over women, right?

The only time that isn’t true is in ultra marathons due to metabolism
 
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Vol8188 said:
@NashVol11 are you just bored?

You do accept the obvious fact that men have numerous and evident physical advantages over women, right?

The only time that isn’t true is in ultra marathons due to metabolism
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We're talking about trans women, who have fulfilled the requirements of women's sports leagues including hormones, etc. That you have to change the subject and still have zero examples of superstar trans women is telling
 
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NashVol11 said:
So each of them were the best player in the world in their particular sport, right? Or were they nowhere close to as good as several biological women competing with them
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Why do you think that’s a point? Not every trans person is the greatest athletes ever?

Why in your mind is that relevant?
 
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NashVol11 said:
We're talking about trans women, who have fulfilled the requirements of women's sports leagues including hormones, etc. That you have to change the subject and still have zero examples of superstar trans women is telling
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You have to be trolling at this point. Are you under the insane impression that all male physical advantages are negated by hormones?
 
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Vol8188 said:
You have to be trolling at this point. Are you under the insane impression that all male physical advantages are negated by hormones?
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Maybe not all, but enough. But surely you have examples of trans women dominating women's college or pro sports, winning gold medals, etc. to prove otherwise.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why do you think that’s a point? Not every trans person is the greatest athletes ever?

Why in your mind is that relevant?
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Weird how all those "advantages" never show themselves in any results, and weird how all of the record holders are still biological women. What happened to all the unfairly athletic trans women? Can you give an example of one?
 
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NashVol11 said:
Maybe not all, but enough. But surely you have examples of trans women dominating women's college or pro sports, winning gold medals, etc. to prove otherwise.
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I already gave you an example of a biological male who won a gold. Lia Thomas was very successful.

When you say “to prove otherwise” what specifically are you asking for proof of?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I already gave you an example of a biological male who won a gold. Lia Thomas was very successful.

When you say “to prove otherwise” what specifically are you asking for proof of?
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So zero examples of a trans woman winning any of those things? Across several decades of women's sports? Not a single women's record that a trans woman broke and brought it closer to the men's record? Weird
 
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NashVol11 said:
Weird how all those "advantages" never show themselves in any results, and weird how all of the record holders are still biological women. What happened to all the unfairly athletic trans women? Can you give an example of one?
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Let’s start with the basic premise. You accept those advantages are real or are you living in lefty fantasy land?

I just pulled up a random power lifting association. I would have beat their highest weight class raw bench press record as a high school sophomore.

 
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NashVol11 said:
So zero examples of a trans woman winning any of those things? Across several decades of women's sports? Not a single women's record that's in line with the men's records even with trans people competing? Weird
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It’s not weird at all. It’s not very common to be a trans woman. It’s even less common to be a trans woman who has any form of mental stability.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It’s not weird at all. It’s not very common to be a trans woman. It’s even less common to be a trans woman who has any form of mental stability.
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But there have been trans women playing, for example, basketball. And they're so much better than biological women that it's unfair, allegedly. So where are they? Have Tennessee or UConn or South Carolina ever had a trans star? Has a trans player ever been a five star basketball recruit? Not one?
 
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NashVol11 said:
But there have been trans women playing, for example, basketball. And they're so much better than biological women that it's unfair, allegedly. So where are they? Have Tennessee or UConn or South Carolina ever had a trans star? Has a trans player ever been a five star basketball recruit? Not one?
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Probably in a psych ward and the ncaa no longer allows trans women to compete.

If LeBron James did a year of estrogen as is required by the Olympics, do you think he would no longer be 6’8? Do you think he would not be the greatest “woman” of all time?

The answer is obviously he would.

You simply don’t get high end male athletes who are trans. It’s very rare. So by becoming trans you increase the percentile you’re in as an athlete (the 50th percentile male may become the 2nd percentile female for example) but that’s normally not enough to make you a 5* or hall of fame athlete because starting point (50 percentile) is lower than someone like Lebron
 
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NashVol11 said:
What national record did she set? She made the Olympic team, then, right? And won gold?
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What are you even arguing Nash? The disparity doesn't have to involve championships or records to be relevant. In fact it's intellectually disingenuous to try to apply that criteria to the issue. A "decent" male (measured by comparison to other males) is, at worst, a legitimate female competitor.

Look, the women's 100 meter dash was set by FloJo (actually there's wind controversy even with this time) of 10.49. That has stood since 1988. That time gets it's doors blown off every year by high school boys. Last year the boys #10 time was a 10.28. If any genuinely good male decided to swap sides FloJo's record wouldn't just get beat but smashed. And that's the difference. The ONLY thing keeping males from simply running away with the competition is entirely predicated on the quality of the males doing gender swaps and the opportunity (or lack thereof) to compete. As it is males of moderate (or even mediocre) ability for their biological gender are beating out females (championships or not) when afforded the opportunity. It's absurd.
 
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NashVol11 said:
So each of them were the best player in the world in their particular sport, right? Or were they nowhere close to as good as several biological women competing with them
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This may be the single weakest/most disingenuous argument I’ve ever seen you make.

Pretending obvious biological advantages aren’t real because “each of them” (trans athletes) wasn’t “the best player in the world”.

Are you high? Drunk? Traumatic brain injury? Trolling?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Probably in a psych ward and the ncaa no longer allows trans women to compete.

If LeBron James did a year of estrogen as is required by the Olympics, do you think he would no longer be 6’8? Do you think he would not be the greatest “woman” of all time?

The answer is obviously he would.

You simply don’t get high end male athletes who are trans. It’s very rare. So by becoming trans you increase the percentile you’re in as an athlete (the 50th percentile male may become the 2nd percentile female for example) but that’s normally not enough to make you a 5* or hall of fame athlete because starting point (50 percentile) is lower than someone like Lebron
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So we're still at zero examples? You needed the government to step in because of fearmongering over something that has literally never happened?
 
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hndog609 said:
What are you even arguing Nash? The disparity doesn't have to involve championships or records to be relevant. In fact it's intellectually disingenuous to try to apply that criteria to the issue. A "decent" male (measured by comparison to other males) is, at worst, a legitimate female competitor.

Look, the women's 100 meter dash was set by FloJo (actually there's wind controversy even with this time) of 10.49. That has stood since 1988. That time gets it's doors blown off every year by high school boys. Last year the boys #10 time was a 10.28. If any genuinely good male decided to swap sides FloJo's record wouldn't just get beat but smashed. And that's the difference. The ONLY thing keeping males from simply running away with the competition is entirely predicated on the quality of the males doing gender swaps and the opportunity (or lack thereof) to compete. As it is males of moderate (or even mediocre) ability for their biological gender are beating out females (championships or not) when afforded the opportunity. It's absurd.
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So has it had its doors blown off by a trans woman, or no?
 
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NashVol11 said:
So we're still at zero examples? You needed the government to step in because of fearmongering over something that has literally never happened?
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Yawn. This disingenuous joke you call an argument is getting old.

“They’ve never been the best ever!”
 
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Vol8188 said:
This may be the single weakest/most disingenuous argument I’ve ever seen you make.

Pretending obvious biological advantages aren’t real because “each of them” (trans athletes) wasn’t “the best player in the world”.

Are you high? Drunk? Traumatic brain injury? Trolling?
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Yet you've had no response and nothing but deflections. The notion that an "unfair" advantage - unfair to the point of legislation - should be easy to see in performance results isn't disingenuous at all; disingenuous would be deflecting to everyone except for trans women, as you have continued to do
 
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NashVol11 said:
So zero examples of a trans woman winning any of those things? Across several decades of women's sports? Not a single women's record that a trans woman broke and brought it closer to the men's record? Weird
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Cycling had a couple of good examples.

Rachel McKinnon (born Rhys McKinnon) transition at 29, picked up cycling in her early early 30s, and within a couple of years started destroying women who had been riding their entire lives. She set the world record in the Masters 200m Sprint and won back-to-back UCI Women's Sprint World Championships.

Austin Killips similarly transitioned after puberty, began riding after her transition, and won a UCI stage event in New Mexico. She also won a single stage mountain race in North Carolina by a whopping 5 minutes (which is totally insane for a single stage). We'll never know what she might have gone on to do because UCI decided to pursue sanity and kicked biological males out of their women's races.
 
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NashVol11 said:
41 feet, 4 inches. Surely that is a women's triple jump record, right? Or do several biological women beat that mark every year?
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There were over 3000 female athletes that competed in California long jump and triple jump and a trans aka male won the state title in both. The odds of this continuing to happen over and over and over are impossible. Your argument that unless their marks beat the best ever females aka record holders then its fair is just ridiculous. Sorry for the inconvenient truth.
 
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