The Problem with the News is us the consumer

#51
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Orange_Crush said:
I'm just trying to figure out what you were trying to say, because quite frankly, you've been all over the place on this.

If we both agree that the media has been lying and slanting for years before Fox ever showed up, we are in agreement.

if you are claiming, as your original post seemed to infer, that Fox started the lying race, then I can write you off as one of the many party hacks that are easy to spot because they just vomit stuff into the forum without caring if it's even believable.
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lawgator1 said:
I agree in the sense that people do not demand deeper factual discussion or analysis and, as a consequence, the media end up putting often times complex matters into bite sized nuggets. The consequence is that the news is too packaged, and therefore too easily characterized by the packager, i.e. the media outlet.

Sometimes in the airport I'll pick up a copy of something like, say, The Economist. Now, its fairly tiny print. Not big on pictures. And if you are going to read an entire story, its going to take you awhile. Compare that to Newsweek or something else like that, and its night and day.

I would make the observation, however, that the real loser if people read more deeply into facts would definitely be the conservative media. Their stalwart, Fox, is the epitome of glossing things over. They ask rhetorical questions, suggesting facts, worse than anyone. The constant banners, like "What can be done about national security threatening White House leaks?" to suggest the real answer they want -- that the leaks are dangerous.

Fox built itself on gitchy graphics, eye-candy presenters of shallow analysis and facts, and commentary pretending to be news.

The alt right is worse, because they are built simply on actually completely fabricated facts. Their sin is far worse than a question of packaging. Theirs is in flat out making shht up.

In my opinion, Trump's tirade about this yesterday was misplaced. He should not call the mainstream media "fake news." Its going to antagonize them, for one thing. And for another its not really correct.

He should be complaining that they do not tell the whole story. That they are omitting facts which are important to the issue they are covering. I think most people would relate to that at some level. Heck, even I would agree with him that the MSM should be more even keeled in their reporting, and what facts they put into a story.

But calling the MSM out as basically liars? Not accurate. Not necessary. And not smart politically, imo.
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Exhibit A.
 
#52
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Orange_Crush said:
Exhibit A.
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I've said that he can and should attack the MSM for not putting balanced facts into their stories.

That's far better than calling them fake, don't you think?

I stand by my comments about Fox. While the MSM can be criticized for not telling the story in a well rounded way (see above), Fox has single handedly dumbed the conversation way down, much further, by making it about hot chicks and glittz entertainment, rather than intellectually honest conversation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I would make the observation, however, that the real loser if people read more deeply into facts would definitely be the conservative media. Their stalwart, Fox, is the epitome of glossing things over. They ask rhetorical questions, suggesting facts, worse than anyone. The constant banners, like "What can be done about national security threatening White House leaks?" to suggest the real answer they want -- that the leaks are dangerous.

Fox built itself on gitchy graphics, eye-candy presenters of shallow analysis and facts, and commentary pretending to be news.

The alt right is worse, because they are built simply on actually completely fabricated facts. Their sin is far worse than a question of packaging. Theirs is in flat out making shht up.

In my opinion, Trump's tirade about this yesterday was misplaced. He should not call the mainstream media "fake news." Its going to antagonize them, for one thing. And for another its not really correct.

He should be complaining that they do not tell the whole story. That they are omitting facts which are important to the issue they are covering. I think most people would relate to that at some level. Heck, even I would agree with him that the MSM should be more even keeled in their reporting, and what facts they put into a story.

But calling the MSM out as basically liars? Not accurate. Not necessary. And not smart politically, imo.
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100% spot on. Fox is the face of, but not the only guilty party to, the downward spiral of news coverage. With the explosion in the number of available news sources, the battle for viewership devolved. A 10% market share can put you at the top and all you have to do is tailor your message to a specific subset and tell them what they want to hear.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've said that he can and should attack the MSM for not putting balanced facts into their stories.

That's far better than calling them fake, don't you think?

I stand by my comments about Fox. While the MSM can be criticized for not telling the story in a well rounded way (see above), Fox has single handedly dumbed the conversation way down, much further, by making it about hot chicks and glittz entertainment, rather than intellectually honest conversation.
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I don't think you can see past your own confirmation bias. They're all hacks. You just can't recognize the hackishness of your hacks because you're such a hack.
 
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no9fpKVXxCc[/youtube]

"Obama gives me a thrill up my legs ... And that is an objective assessment."
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You know... At first, I was positioned to argue with you slightly, just from the perspective that as the respect wanes, their profits will as well, just by the nature of news as a business. But I can't. You are coorect. There are so many out there who want news outlets to reinforce what they already think, or filter facts through their own worldview, that both sides of the outlets will continue getting respect from some % of the population.

I'm a bit of a pragmatic idealist when it comes to journalism. Journalism should have no "sides" but the truth. That will never be the case.

And I can't be happier as a cable-cutter.
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Me too, although I'm not sure whether getting off Facebook or cutting the cord was better. Both have a tendency to suck you in, waste your time, and leave you feeling dirty afterwards.
 
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Arclight said:
No, it is because most journalists are Dem-Libs who are slaved to the worn out 60's radical party leaders.

Also, because the media is educated by liberal college journalism professors and schools. Go into any college journalism class and ask how many are Dem-Libs?
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Oh bull$it! The libs , blame everything on the libs. :popcorn: :popcorn:
 
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Mick said:
If you want to say the leftist medias lies brought about the rise of fox to counter that is fine, but the way I remember it was news was news and didn't change much from station to station pre fox. Your chicken or egg argument is pointless since the media and government have been lying since the beginning. And yes Fox has never been news but an anti-democrat media outlet.
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As a news addict since Sputnik launched in the late 60's, I have to disagree. Everyone knew ABC was leftist/Democrat slanted from the 60's on. Walter Kronkite- "Uncle Walt" as he is misnamed by some was a flaming leftist globalist one world government proponent;

From his UN award acceptance speech:

..."It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace,” he said. “To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order.”

In his acceptance speech, Cronkite added, “Pat Robertson has written in a book a few years ago that we should have a world government, but only when the Messiah arrives. He wrote, literally, any attempt to achieve world order before that time must be the work of the devil. Well, join me. I’m glad to sit here at the right hand of Satan.”...


Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2009/07/104399/#VtHSvCobG6gaUgTM.99

Your claim TV news was unbiased is hogwash. It's ALWAYS been biased.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've said that he can and should attack the MSM for not putting balanced facts into their stories.

That's far better than calling them fake, don't you think?

I stand by my comments about Fox. While the MSM can be criticized for not telling the story in a well rounded way (see above), Fox has single handedly dumbed the conversation way down, much further, by making it about hot chicks and glittz entertainment, rather than intellectually honest conversation.
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Intellectually honest conversations in the news media have been gone since 1992.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I don't think you can see past your own confirmation bias. They're all hacks. You just can't recognize the hackishness of your hacks because you're such a hack.
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I agree.

Folks tend to take the easy way out and not apply any semblance of critical thought while weeding through the "news."

Assuming all the "other" media is fake and resorting to news that meets with ones own biases and then ripping everyone elses source is bewildering.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
As a news addict since Sputnik launched in the late 60's, I have to disagree. Everyone knew ABC was leftist/Democrat slanted from the 60's on. Walter Kronkite- "Uncle Walt" as he is misnamed by some was a flaming leftist globalist one world government proponent;

From his UN award acceptance speech:

..."It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace,” he said. “To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order.”

In his acceptance speech, Cronkite added, “Pat Robertson has written in a book a few years ago that we should have a world government, but only when the Messiah arrives. He wrote, literally, any attempt to achieve world order before that time must be the work of the devil. Well, join me. I’m glad to sit here at the right hand of Satan.”...


Read more at Meet the real Walter Cronkite

Your claim TV news was unbiased is hogwash. It's ALWAYS been biased.
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I think the part in bold is the kicker. Some view this eventual catastrophic world conflict as not only inevitable but even desirable. Others hope to avoid this at all reasonable costs.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Me too, although I'm not sure whether getting off Facebook or cutting the cord was better. Both have a tendency to suck you in, waste your time, and leave you feeling dirty afterwards.
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Facebook has become almost as dark and evil as the football forum.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
People go to Mexican restaurants because they like Mexican food. People go to a good steak house because they like a good steak. People go to a Chinese restaurant because they like Chinese food.

People watch whatever news source that fits their taste.
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meh....steakhouse steaks are ok, but if I want a really good steak I grill it myself....on charcoal.

There may only be a handful of things I do really well, but at the top that short list is grilling a steak! :)
 
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