The Problem of Whiteness

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Ever watch sports?

Let me guess you think the only reason black people dominate is because of some inherent genetic advantage? LOL. It can't be because we worked harder?

When white people dominate a field its because they worked hard for it. When black people dominate a field its because they have genetic advantages.

That my friend is textbook racism.

 

[FleeceItOut]

If there is a former slave alive in the US today, then sure hook them up.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I'm surprised he hasn't been banned.

So the guys suggesting black people are genetically inferior are fine. But I should be banned for saying racism exists? LOL.

I guess if you can't argue you want to censor discussion?

 

[FleeceItOut]

Let me guess you think the only reason black people dominate is because of some inherent genetic advantage? LOL. It can't be because we worked harder?

When white people dominate a field its because they worked hard for it. When black people dominate a field its because they have genetic advantages.

That my friend is textbook racism.

Wow.. you truly are a miserable person. You can turn anything into a racist debate.

You may have told people before but how old are you? Serious question.

 

[FLVOL69]

So the guys suggesting black people are genetically inferior are fine. But I should be banned for saying racism exists? LOL.

I guess if you can't argue you want to censor discussion?

It's like having Al Sharpton on a continuous loop, Jesus Christ man, give it a rest or go get a gig at BSNBC

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Not what I said but don't let the facts stand in the way of your strawmen.

If pointing out that the black community has a cultural problem that is holding them back equates to "white supremacy", then I might as well be the Grand Wizard of the KKK because I hold that belief more fervently than any other American sociological concept (off the top of my head).

At some point, you and your ilk, are going to have to explain how the wife and best friend, both born very poor in communist countries, with a native tongue other than English, with parents who don't speak English, end up outperforming the average black person born in the US without appealing to massive cultural differences (hint: that's the answer). Poverty? They grew up poorer. Advantages? Their parents don't speak the native tongue and English isn't their first language. Institutional racism? They went to the same schools and outperformed their peers. Same in the workplace.

Then there are the kids I went to school with. When the school published test results by race, Asians did the best, followed by whites, then Hispanics (almost all of whom English is a second language and non-existent at home), then blacks. Same community, same schools, same teachers. You are left with three options:

1) Grand Conspiracy
2) Genetics
3) Cultural differences at home

Take your pick. Anybody with a brain and intellectual honesty knows the answer.

Then again, I'm just a White Supremacist. You know, the same White Supremacist who choose to have a best friend and marry outside of my race. If anything, you'd have to say I'm an Asian Supremacist or self-loathing White Supremacist because I think Asian culture is, on the average, superior; but I'd imagine that doesn't fit into your real agenda which is about how the white man is the devil and the black man is their biggest victim here in 21st century.

No. There are 4 option. The last being systemic racism and white supremacy.

You can place the blame totally on African Americans that's fine. Just know that is the same argument made on Strormfront by open white supremacists.

Non-white supremacists know that slavery, institutional racism, and systematic white supremacy have played a role in the current state of black people in America.

 

[PKT_VOL]

No. There are 4 option. The last being systemic racism and white supremacy.

You can place the blame totally on African Americans that's fine. Just know that is the same argument made on Strormfront by open white supremacists.

Non-white supremacists know that slavery, institutional racism, and systematic white supremacy have played a role in the current state of black people in America.

No, actually that would be option one, "Grand Conspiracy".

Put on your tin foil hat, sit in the corner, and continue to close your eyes to reality. Thanks for playing.

 

[Burger]

Of course. I'm not a textbook definition racist like you.

Obviously there are differences WITHIN groups. Some people are taller, some are shorter. But with regard to groups we call "races" of course there are no genetic differences. We are all the same species. The different "races" are just social constructs created by people because of our cosmetic differences such as skin color that are the result of environmental adaptation.

But the idea that there are genetic differences between "races" is not true. Its just the belief of white supremacists and racists alike.

Statistics say that there are groups on average who are smarter than other groups, there are groups with more athletic ability, and there are groups who work harder than the rest. That has to do with cultural emphasis and genetics.

You seriously can't believe Asians in general are as strong as blacks in general.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Its interesting to me that you are choosing to apply a different standard here to deny black people reparations for the mistreatment they have faced in this country that was not applied to anyone else. History alone justifies reparations for slavery. The US government initially agreed to pay reparations in 1865 (see my post earlier that included a link to the famous "40 acres and a mule deal"). However, Andrew Johnson (a southerner) reneged on the deal after Abraham Lincoln was assassination. If the US government thought black people deserved reparations in 1865 for slavery, why would it suddenly not be "justice" now?

But I will humor you anyway. Why is it that people who had nothing to do with the internment of Japanese-Americans had to pay reparations in 1988? Why is it that people who had nothing to do with the mistreatment of Native Americans had to pay reparations to different Native American tribes multiple times through history? We are talking about the responsibility of government here. Not individuals. You are the one that is trying to make this into an individual thing. Slavery was not an individual thing. It was a state sanctioned practice. If the US government didn't sanction it, it would not have existed. There were many countries around the world at that time (like England) that did not sanction slavery. So you can't just play this off as simply individual slave owners mistreating individual black people. This was state sanctioned racial oppression.

If you repeat the same thing over and over agan, and continue to fail to make the salient points that your argument requires, you'll continue to fail. I've already covered the "it's happened before, so it's just/ethical/moral" argument that you're trying to make. and I've already told you that our "gov't" doesn't have any money--only the money they take from their citizens.

So, tell me how forcibly taking money from people who have never owned slaves, to give it to people who were never slaves, is ethical/moral/just.

You used that word a lot. JUST... JUSTICE... The use of that concept means that you have to deal with this on a moral//ethical level. You still haven't done so.

 

[YorkVol]

Questions for D4H
Reparations, how much?
Who would get them?
Would there be some sort of qualifier test to tie them to former slaves only?
What would the mechanism be? I.e. tax write-off,direct payment. Etc?

Short answers only, please.

Did I miss the answer?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

No offense to you, but Native Americans are the ONLY group in America that should be getting reparations.

He's offended that Whitey is breathing the same air as he, so don't worry.

 

[southgatevol]

Let me guess you think the only reason black people dominate is because of some inherent genetic advantage? LOL. It can't be because we worked harder?

When white people dominate a field its because they worked hard for it. When black people dominate a field its because they have genetic advantages.

That my friend is textbook racism.

So all the black guys in the NBA are there because they worked harder than the white guys that couldn't make the cut?

 

[joevol33]

Did I miss the answer?

No, I've been waiting on it also.

 

[KentheOrange]

No.

What I'm saying is regardless of much education you attain, if you are non-white, you will be paid less than a white person who has the same education level you do. That no matter how much education we get we're still not white which means we'll get paid less.

That is white privilege.

That is white supremacy.

That is a crock. You are looking for reasons for your own failures. Have you thought that you may get paid less because you're a horrible employee? I guarantee that if you take that attitude to a workplace you will not be a star.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Statistics say that there are groups on average who are smarter than other groups, there are groups with more athletic ability, and there are groups who work harder than the rest. That has to do with cultural emphasis and genetics.

You seriously can't believe Asians in general are as strong as blacks in general.

Of course I can. Unlike you, I have not been brainwashed by the lies of white supremacy and taught to believe in a racist ideology.

Let me educate you a bit.

In terms of genetics, the people of Papau New Guinea are most closely related to East Asians. But yet in terms of phenotype they look black. And they are very strong. You can't say they have these traits that are similar to West Africans because of genetics because they are about as genetically distant from Africans as anybody on earth. The only reason they resemble West Africans physically is because they live in a similar environment to tropical Africa (dense jungle environment near the equator). The same is true for Polynesians (who are even more over-represented in the NFL than "black" people). They are genetically most closely related to Asians. And in terms of physical strength they are arguably the strongest people on earth. Hence the reason there are so many Samoans dominating in the NFL along the lines of scrimmage.

And just as all Asians aren't the same, neither are all black Africans. In fact, East Africans are some of the weakest people on earth in terms of physical strength. In Kenya for example we have the famous Maasai tribe. They are black. They live in sub-saharan tropical Africa. Yet they are very skinny and tall. And not very strong at all. The reason for the physical differences between East and West Africans is because the environment in East Africa is different than the environment in West Africa. While West Africa has mostly dense jungles, East Africa is mostly open grasslands. And thus Africans who live in more open grassland have different body types than those Africans that live in dense jungles. Then there are the pygmies in the rainforests of the Congo. They are among the shortest people in the world with an average height of just 4'11". And then you have the Dinka tribe of South Sudan that are among the tallest people in the world with some tribes having an average height of 6'4".

So you see there is no uniform way to be black. Just as there is no uniform way to be Asian. Or white. And so on. The difference between someone like me and you is that I am actually educated on the world. I have not been brainwashed by white supremacy. So I know what we call "race" is just a social construct and not a scientific reality. Who we call "black" or "white" or "Asian" has almost nothing to do with genetics. As recent findings in DNA have shown that you can find more genetic diversity in Africa alone among Africans than you can find anywhere else on earth. Who we call "black people" really have no connection between them outside of superficial similarities in skin color and hair texture. Two features that seem to be adaptations to a tropical climate. Black people are among the most diverse people on earth. There are strong black people and there are weak black people. There are tall black people and there are short black people. The beauty of the "black" race is that we have elements of everyone. Pretty much the only thing we have in common is skin color and hair texture. Other than that you have the entire mosaic of humanity in Africa.

And that my friend is why racism is stupid.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So all the black guys in the NBA are there because they worked harder than the white guys that couldn't make the cut?

What other reason could it be?

I mean if it was a genetic advantage as racists would love to believe, then how come there are so many more Europeans and South Americans in the NBA than native born Africans? In terms of international NBA players, the majority have been European not African. And almost all of the non-American NBA superstars have been white like Dirk Norwitzki, Steve Nash, and Manu Ginobili. In fact, in the last 15 years, the best African born basketball player in the NBA has been Steve Nash (a white guy). The second best has been Luol Deng (who is an above average NBA player at best). Now you can't try and explain this lack of NBA players from Africa based on a lack of interest in basketball because soccer is just popular in Europe and South America as it is in Africa.

The lack of white American players in the NBA is simply due to less interest in basketball by white Americans than there is for black Americans. Similar to how black people have internalized this belief that they are genetically inferior intellectually and thus they don't try as hard in school. Like I said earlier everyone in this country has been brainwashed by white supremacy. Well one of the interesting side-effects of this belief that white people are intellectually and morally superior to black people because of genetics is there has had to be a similar false narrative spread of athletic genetic superiority by black people to explain the over-representation of black athletes in sports like basketball. Thus many white Americans have been discouraged from taking part in certain sports like basketball because they believe they are genetically inferior. The same could be said for playing certain positions in football like running back (see Christian McCaffrey). This belief that whites are genetically inferior in this one regard so as to keep up the larger lie of intellectual and moral superiority is an interesting quirk of white supremacy.

Whites outside of the United States are less afflicted by this side effect of white supremacy so they have more interest in the NBA and thus more of them make it.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Shot:

Of course I can. Unlike you, I have not been brainwashed by the lies of white supremacy and taught to believe in a racist ideology.

Let me educate you a bit.

In terms of genetics, the people of Papau New Guinea are most closely related to East Asians. But yet in terms of phenotype they look black. And they are very strong. You can't say they have these traits that are similar to West Africans because of genetics because they are about as genetically distant from Africans as anybody on earth. The only reason they resemble West Africans physically is because they live in a similar environment to tropical Africa (dense jungle environment near the equator). The same is true for Polynesians (who are even more over-represented in the NFL than "black" people). They are genetically most closely related to Asians. And in terms of physical strength they are arguably the strongest people on earth. Hence the reason there are so many Samoans dominating in the NFL along the lines of scrimmage.

And just as all Asians aren't the same, neither are all black Africans. In fact, East Africans are some of the weakest people on earth in terms of physical strength. In Kenya for example we have the famous Maasai tribe. They are black. They live in sub-saharan tropical Africa. Yet they are very skinny and tall. And not very strong at all. The reason for the physical differences between East and West Africans is because the environment in East Africa is different than the environment in West Africa. While West Africa has mostly dense jungles, East Africa is mostly open grasslands. And thus Africans who live in more open grassland have different body types than those Africans that live in dense jungles. Then there are the pygmies in the rainforests of the Congo. They are among the shortest people in the world with an average height of just 4'11". And then you have the Dinka tribe of South Sudan that are among the tallest people in the world with some tribes having an average height of 6'4".

So you see there is no uniform way to be black. Just as there is no uniform way to be Asian. Or white. And so on. The difference between someone like me and you is that I am actually educated on the world. I have not been brainwashed by white supremacy. So I know what we call "race" is just a social construct and not a scientific reality. Who we call "black" or "white" or "Asian" has almost nothing to do with genetics. As recent findings in DNA have shown that you can find more genetic diversity in Africa alone among Africans than you can find anywhere else on earth. Who we call "black people" really have no connection between them outside of superficial similarities in skin color and hair texture. Two features that seem to be adaptations to a tropical climate. Black people are among the most diverse people on earth. There are strong black people and there are weak black people. There are tall black people and there are short black people. The beauty of the "black" race is that we have elements of everyone. Pretty much the only thing we have in common is skin color and hair texture. Other than that you have the entire mosaic of humanity in Africa.

And that my friend is why racism is stupid.

Chaser:

What other reason could it be?

I mean if it was a genetic advantage as racists would love to believe, then how come there are so many more Europeans and South Americans in the NBA than native born Africans? In terms of international NBA players, the majority have been European not African. And almost all of the non-American NBA superstars have been white like Dirk Norwitzki, Steve Nash, and Manu Ginobili. In fact, in the last 15 years, the best African born basketball player in the NBA has been Steve Nash (a white guy). The second best has been Luol Deng (who is an above average NBA player at best). Now you can't try and explain this lack of NBA players from Africa based on a lack of interest in basketball because soccer is just popular in Europe and South America as it is in Africa.

The lack of white American players in the NBA is simply due to less interest in basketball by white Americans than there is for black Americans. Similar to how black people have internalized this belief that they are genetically inferior intellectually and thus they don't try as hard in school. Like I said earlier everyone in this country has been brainwashed by white supremacy. Well one of the interesting side-effects of this belief that white people are intellectually and morally superior to black people because of genetics is there has had to be a similar false narrative spread of athletic genetic superiority by black people to explain the over-representation of black athletes in sports like basketball. Thus many white Americans have been discouraged from taking part in certain sports like basketball because they believe they are genetically inferior. The same could be said for playing certain positions in football like running back (see Christian McCaffrey). This belief that whites are genetically inferior in this one regard so as to keep up the larger lie of intellectual and moral superiority is an interesting quirk of white supremacy.

Whites outside of the United States are less afflicted by this side effect of white supremacy so they have more interest in the NBA and thus more of them make it.

 

[Burger]

Of course I can. Unlike you, I have not been brainwashed by the lies of white supremacy and taught to believe in a racist ideology.

Let me educate you a bit.

In terms of genetics, the people of Papau New Guinea are most closely related to East Asians. But yet in terms of phenotype they look black. And they are very strong. You can't say they have these traits that are similar to West Africans because of genetics because they are about as genetically distant from Africans as anybody on earth. The only reason they resemble West Africans physically is because they live in a similar environment to tropical Africa (dense jungle environment near the equator). The same is true for Polynesians (who are even more over-represented in the NFL than "black" people). They are genetically most closely related to Asians. And in terms of physical strength they are arguably the strongest people on earth. Hence the reason there are so many Samoans dominating in the NFL along the lines of scrimmage.

And just as all Asians aren't the same, neither are all black Africans. In fact, East Africans are some of the weakest people on earth in terms of physical strength. In Kenya for example we have the famous Maasai tribe. They are black. They live in sub-saharan tropical Africa. Yet they are very skinny and tall. And not very strong at all. The reason for the physical differences between East and West Africans is because the environment in East Africa is different than the environment in West Africa. While West Africa has mostly dense jungles, East Africa is mostly open grasslands. And thus Africans who live in more open grassland have different body types than those Africans that live in dense jungles. Then there are the pygmies in the rainforests of the Congo. They are among the shortest people in the world with an average height of just 4'11". And then you have the Dinka tribe of South Sudan that are among the tallest people in the world with some tribes having an average height of 6'4".

So you see there is no uniform way to be black. Just as there is no uniform way to be Asian. Or white. And so on. The difference between someone like me and you is that I am actually educated on the world. I have not been brainwashed by white supremacy. So I know what we call "race" is just a social construct and not a scientific reality. Who we call "black" or "white" or "Asian" has almost nothing to do with genetics. As recent findings in DNA have shown that you can find more genetic diversity in Africa alone among Africans than you can find anywhere else on earth. Who we call "black people" really have no connection between them outside of superficial similarities in skin color and hair texture. Two features that seem to be adaptations to a tropical climate. Black people are among the most diverse people on earth. There are strong black people and there are weak black people. There are tall black people and there are short black people. The beauty of the "black" race is that we have elements of everyone. Pretty much the only thing we have in common is skin color and hair texture. Other than that you have the entire mosaic of humanity in Africa.

And that my friend is why racism is stupid.

So based off of that we should see a demographic pool similar to the demographic pool in the US.

The US Demographics ( in percent ):

White : 54.8
Hispanic: 17.6
Black : 12.61
Mixed : 9.11
Asian : 4.75
Native: .95
Pacific Islanders: .17

NFL Demographics (also in percent):

Black : 67.98
White : 27.66
Asian/Pacific Islanders :1.59
Other: 1.71
Hispanic : 1.06

As you see, Asians aren't actually over represented. I could make the argument that their underrepresented. Those are the actual numbers, and the only group that's over represented are African Americans. If each race was equally strong and athletic, these two sets of numbers would be almost matching. If I ran the same numbers for another career choice such as scientist or doctors, the data would skew in a whole other direction.

I would say work ethic among professional athletes aren't much different between black, white, Asian, and Hispanics. Can't ignore the numbers.

I do love the lessons on different African tribes.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Hahahaha he thinks white people should pay reparations bc of what our ancestors did to his ancestors years ago hahahah. That's hilarious. I'm not giving handouts to anyone of my hard EARNED MONEY kiss my ass

 

[FLVOL_79]

This thread is gold. We have some dude claiming to be educated and not brainwashed by science White supremacy attempting to lecture others using his fiction based knowledge. It makes for a good read.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

This thread is gold. We have some dude claiming to be educated and not brainwashed by science White supremacy attempting to lecture others using his fiction based knowledge. It makes for a good read.

If white people gave D4H and "his people" everything in life like what he wants he'd still find something to complain about. It's comical he actually thinks he's smart. Ignorance at its finest

 

[Madscientistvol]

This thread is gold. We have some dude claiming to be educated and not brainwashed by science White supremacy attempting to lecture others using his fiction based knowledge. It makes for a good read.

He explains how white supremacy is behind perceptions that some races are inferior, then goes into a eugenic rant on how some are inferior than others while making arguments that would be Nazi if you just replaced African with aryan.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Hahahaha he thinks white people should pay reparations bc of what our ancestors did to his ancestors years ago hahahah. That's hilarious. I'm not giving handouts to anyone of my hard EARNED MONEY kiss my ass

You already do.

 

[FLVOL_79]

He explains how white supremacy is behind perceptions that some races are inferior, then goes into a eugenic rant on how some are inferior than others while making arguments that would be Nazi if you just replaced African with aryan.

Yep. This thread is littered with many little self created racist paradox's. My favorite is railing against White supremacy but then declaring everyone is African anyways..

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Was a chemist 7 years and then got into the insurance arena

Found your magic island, eh?