The Problem of Whiteness

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utvols88 said:
He doesn't care about moral integrity. He only wants to get paid for nothing without thinking of the consequences or results.
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Has he even said what reparations he thinks is adequate? I've read a lot in this thread but I've never seen that, although I've no doubt missed some posts.

His characterization of white people seems to be very in line with how a certain Austrian characterized Jews. Even if we did reparations, what would keep white supremacy from "whiting" them out of the money after the fact?
 
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Lol d4h using Asian reperations to make his argument while not realizing that it enforces an argument against reperations for defendants of slaves. Not shocked that he has 1/4 of his facts straight. Never change you internet treasure.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Taxpayers had nothing to do with interning the Japanese (that was all President Roosevelt and the government) but we paid them reparations. Taxpayers had nothing to do with the multiple instances of genocide against Native Americans (that was Andrew Jackson and the US military) but we paid them reparations. Its funny how reparations only becomes a problem with black people get mentioned.

And even more funny reparations were actually promised two centuries ago. Remember the post slavery promise by the US government of "40 acres a mule" for all freed slaves? See here: The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' | African American History Blog | The African Americans: Many Rivers to Cross



So what happened to this promise of reparations?



So there you have it. The US government knew they were in the wrong for how they treated African Americans. They knew reparations were necessary. And they were ready to implement it in 1865. But instead of honoring the promise of giving African Americans 40 acres and a mule, they reneged. And started the spiral of inequity black people have been living in ever since.
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so you are suggesting that ex-slave owners should be the ones to pay reparations to ex-slaves. that is what was suggested by the government and recently freed slaves. Didn't sound like they wanted everyone to pony up, just those responsible.

and you might want to look into the Homestead Act. Forget 40 acres, how about 160? I guess that land wasn't good enough, or it is unfair that white people (anybody) had access.

The Homestead Act of 1862 - US History Scene

African Americans who migrated to Kansas were called “exodusters,” and the mass movement as a whole was referred to as the “Great Exodus,” as former slaves believed their plight mirrored the Hebrews’ trek through the desert from slavery to freedom in the Bible’s Book of Exodus. The bulk of this migration took place between 1879-1881, as a result of advertisements, newspaper articles, letters, and encouragement from both black and white leaders in the South.
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Madscientistvol said:
Has he even said what reparations he thinks is adequate? I've read a lot in this thread but I've never seen that, although I've no doubt missed some posts.

His characterization of white people seems to be very in line with how a certain Austrian characterized Jews. Even if we did reparations, what would keep white supremacy from "whiting" them out of the money after the fact?
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That's why I went into it above. No matter what, two things are true. 1. Slave descendent families are helping pay themselves by past taxes and 2. they will pay for it until the end of their life with bigger taxes.

He has no idea what finances look like. He has no plan nor does any clown that suggests such a stupid, short sighted, greedy order to change how black people feel.

There is no legislation that is prejudice against any people in this country. At this point, it's a you problem if you are successful. Blaming anyone else won't work. There are no more changes to be made but the ones internally.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Racist show.....the white cop Smitty was portrayed as a complete idiot
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So was the Cosby show. We used to watch it until my grandfather pointed this out. Only white kid was fat, and constantly ridiculed. White cameos were always mocked, etc. Whites were always the punchline.

Same for the JeffersonS. White couple were complete idiots. Always the butt of every joke. Trotted out the white guy to ridicule as needed...

Hmmm...I see a pattern here. Wonder if that set precedent for the white male.being the root of all evil in the MSM? STanger things have happened.
 
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D4H a couple questions about reparations.

1. What would reparations actually fix? I know yay money, but what does it fix as far as "structural racism" goes. Does giving blacks money suddenly make slavery ok? Does it make the injustices of the past any less? and do you think slavery would suddenly stop being the crutch used too often?
2. You ever seen what poor people generally do when they get a lot of money suddenly? Look at lotto winners. most go bankrupt within 10 years. How would this be any different? I guess they could be set up accounts for private education or house buying but then there would be griping about not actually giving you money.
3. Would you accept the 40 acres and mule deal today? Arable land in the US?
4. There were approx 3.9 million slaves, lets round that up to an even 5. There are almost 38 million AA today. lets round that down to 35. I am doing this to make the math easier. By any judgement it doesnt make sense to give money to some but not others, and this is to make everyone happy. are you willing to take 1/7 of what a slave would have got? Lets say an even 6 acres (rounding up) and you still get a mule. Are you still happy? Is that enough?
5. What about the lives lost? If the US government is responsible for allowing slavery, they should also get kudos for fighting a war, against the white supremacy you hate so much, using predominately white soldiers to die for a cause that ultimately freed the slaves. Then there is also the money they spent to fight the war. more than 6 billion of the times money. Cost Of The American Civil War
no credit for that as well? If you are ignoring/casting aside all the various costs to the US government this starts to look pretty slanted instead of an actual conversation about what will actually fix things.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Interesting.

Once facts get brought up, the subject changes.

No more yapping about I don't know this or that. Now its about whining about being called a racist. First of all, I'm not calling anyone a racist. I'm simply stating facts. If the facts lead you to the conclusion white people are racist then that is on you. I'm only stating the facts about the system of white supremacy that pervades our society and its effect on us. That is all.
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What do you say to the millions of blacks that disagree with you?

You know the ones that work hard, get an education, and make something of themselves. Black people have the same opportunities as white people, in some cases even more.

If they are held back it's not because of whites but because of people in their own communities (gangs,broken homes,etc.).

There are black doctors, lawyers, politicians, CEO's, oh and a PRESIDENT for the last 8 years, etc. etc.

It's just funny how even your own race is very divided on this subject.

Watch this video, and argue your way around it please.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PqG530iLWqQ
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
True. But that is because they typically have the highest education attainment of any race. So it shouldn't surprise anyone they make more. However, my point is still true. If we control for educational attainment Asian Americans make LESS on than whites. See here: A closer look at Asian-American income | Economic Policy Institute




This basically proves the old adage that to be treated the same as a white man, you gotta be twice as good. Asian Americans with college degrees do better than whites without a college degree. But when you equalize education, whites still get paid more.

That is what white supremacy is.
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That's false. Here's the data. It clearly shows Asians with a bachelors degree or higher make more than whites with the same level of education. Meanwhile whites with an associates or lower make more than Asians.

So yes, Asians make more money than whites people even when they have the same education level.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/m...ucation-gender-race-and-ethnicity-in-2014.htm
 
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Heres the graph. Clearly showing Asians earning more
 

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Orange_Crush said:
That's extremely lazy and unconvincing. he asked you a direct question that you refuse to answer. You'll never woo anyone to your side that way.

try this on:

"I'd like to hang any black person that gets above their station."

"What?! That is unethical and immoral! What possible ethical and moral mandate do you have for that?"

"Well, they did it all the time back in the /20s. We have precident."

"I'm not asking whether it's ever been done. I'm asking you to defend the morality o it."

"Oh, I'm not going to do that. I've just shown that it's happened before, so we should do it again. Where's the rope?"




See how vacuuous your argument is?


So, again... The gov't has no money. It has to take its money from its citizens. So, ethically and morally, why should citizens who have never owned slaves pay money to citizens who have never been slaves, because at some time 100+ years ago, some people were slaves?
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I don't disagree with your basic point that the starting point for blacks and whites is not even. I'm not sure how that can be addressed as the problem has multiple causes. There is plenty of blame to go around. However, reparations are and have been paid. Affirmative action was born in the desire to level the playing field. Minority scholarships etc. were given for the same reason. SBA loans for minorities is another program designed to level the playing field.

White supremacists believe that black people are both morally and intellectually inferior to whites. I've heard this viewpoint said in its purest form while perusing white supremacists websites like Stormfront. But I've also heard it strongly implied throughout threads like this one. The most frequent being the current struggles of many African countries. This is usually cited in almost every thread on race in this forum as evidence that blacks regardless of where they are located are incapable of exercising anything other than poor cultural values. In particular, when I mentioned Ancient Egypt being black earlier in this thread, there was a chorus of posters saying no way they were middle-eastern. Not because they had cited any information. But rather that what I said couldn't be true. The implication being that the Ancient Egyptians couldn't possibly be black since they were a great civilization and we all know black people aren't capable of great civilizations. The same thing happened when I mentioned Timbuktu (the African city with a university older than any in Europe) was black, once again the same chorus of posters chimed in and said there was no way it was black but rather it was an Arab city. The implication once again being that black people couldn't obviously have had an institution of higher learning before Europeans. Whenever present day African countries are mentioned their dysfunction is usually cited as evidence that this is simply how black people behave. The basic point of view from white posters on this site I have gathered is the problems facing black people in this country and abroad are almost entirely our fault and in no way a result of any mistreatment towards blacks by whites in the past or present.

There are many black people who agree with this line of thinking that black people are solely to blame for their present situation. They are what are commonly referred to in the black community as "coons". Now those of us that are enlightened black people know better. We've studied history. We know that the idea of black racial inferiority is a myth. We know that the issues that plague the black community both in the present and past is the result of systematic oppression and the perpetuation of WHITE SUPREMACY. White people have brainwashed us into believing their lie. That we are inferior to them. That we are intellectually inferior. That we are morally inferior. Its why our community is so destructive right now. White supremacy has basically become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It was founded on the belief that white people are superior and black people are inferior. And through its perpetuation by mass media we have now come to internalize it and become what they said. Black people don't value education because they have been told they are not smart enough. Black people don't respect for value one another because they have been told they don't matter.

Black people have now become what WHITE SUPREMACY falsely said we always were.
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How do you address this? You've suggested reparations, but in reality wouldn't that just reinforce the issues within the black community that you raise, above?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I don't disagree with your basic point that the starting point for blacks and whites is not even. I'm not sure how that can be addressed as the problem has multiple causes. There is plenty of blame to go around. However, reparations are and have been paid. Affirmative action was born in the desire to level the playing field. Minority scholarships etc. were given for the same reason. SBA loans for minorities is another program designed to level the playing field.
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Was that for me? It was under a quote from me, but seems disconnected from the point I was making. :hi:
 
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Just tell people that you don't particpate in PC... they will move and on try to find another Victim
 
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When the whites become the minority... file lawsuits about everything.. college, jobs.. the classic civils rights... hate crime
 
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The other thing they don't factor in when they talk about incomes is age. The black and Hispanic populations are much younger than the white population.

Young people don't make a lot of money
 
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The reparations paid to Japanese and Native American citizens were a result of GOVERNMENT action. The goverment attacked the Indians. The government interned the Japanese. The goverment didn't enslave anyone. That was done by private citizens. If anything the goverment would submit that 350,000 US soldiers died in a war that ultimately freed the slaves.
 
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