The Phil Fulmer buyout countdown

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homesweetTN said:
I guess the surprise factor should have worn off by now, yet I am still surprised by the widespread vitriol from UT fans toward PF. I would not want PF coaching UT today, and I did believe that it was time for him to go. But, winning 70 percent of your games, two SEC titles, and a national championship count for a heck of a lot in my book. I look back proudly on his years at UT.

Question: how do we feel about Johnny Majors? Record and titles vs. record and titles, PF blows him out of the water.
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I think the majority fans feel the same way you do. He did good things at UT, and it's undeniable. There's also no denying the downward spiral the program was in. The negatives are usually in response to someone claiming he was flawless and UT would be better off with him still coaching. Either that or fat jokes. Rarely have I seen someone attack him without provocation.
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homesweetTN said:
I am talking about Johnny Majors when he coached at TN. His national championship at Pittsburgh (the year before he came to TN) does nothing for us. National championships don't transfer over. We endured two very sub-par years with Fulmer and some others that were not great. But with coach Majors - who is a VFL - we endured many sub-par years. And it was not until the last five years or so of his tenure that TN began to be noticed again.
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Majors also never went a Decade without a Championship.
 
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VolDad said:
Majors also never went a Decade without a Championship.
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You are correct. Eight is not quite ten. Look back at coach Majors' first eight years at TN, and you will see what I mean. And what about the three seasons after his first SEC title at TN? My bottom line is let's have some perspective and balance when discussing Fulmer's legacy. He had is fair share of failures and successes as most do. And if we look back with no pride on the Fulmer years, then UT has no consistent national success since the Dickey or Battle years.
 
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VolDad said:
Majors also never went a Decade without a Championship.
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To that point...

I either read it here or heard it somewhere regarding the possibilty of Fulmer coming back as the AD.

If Fulmer is the AD, under what conditions would he fire a coach? If a coach is here 10 years or less without an SEC title and Fulmer wacks him, Fulmer would essentially be holding that coach to a higher standard than he was held under.
 
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homesweetTN said:
You are correct. Eight is not quite ten. Look back at coach Majors' first eight years at TN, and you will see what I mean. And what about the three seasons after his first SEC title at TN? My bottom line is let's have some perspective and balance when discussing Fulmer's legacy. He had is fair share of failures and successes as most do. And if we look back with no pride on the Fulmer years, then UT has no consistent national success since the Dickey or Battle years.
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I appreciate what Majors did. I appreciate what Fulmer did in the 90’s. Fact is, since joining the SEC in the 30’s UT has won at least 2 SECC’s per decade with the exception of the 70’s and Fulmer’s 00’s.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
To that point...

I either read it here or heard ot somewhere regarding the possibilty of Fulmer coming back as the AD.

If Fulmer is the AD, under what conditions would he fire a coach? If a coach is here 10 years or less without a SEC title and Fulmer wacks him, Fulmer would essentially be holding that coach to a higher standard than he was held under.
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Good point!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
To that point...

I either read it here or heard it somewhere regarding the possibilty of Fulmer coming back as the AD.

If Fulmer is the AD, under what conditions would he fire a coach? If a coach is here 10 years or less without a SEC title and Fulmer wacks him, Fulmer would essentially be holding that coach to a higher standard than he was held under.
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Another excellent reason why he shouldn't get the job.
 
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PimpVol said:
No. He was most likely not. We were going to have a new coach. Surely. But I am speaking of the continued hatred. There are some good things to remember too. We are all ready to get back on top but do we have to continually desecrate him? We do not need or want
him back. Be clear on that. But again, damn. Have back at it. By the way, the very definition of redundancy is this whole business of posting everytime he gets paid. Ironic or just funny, you decide.
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I dont hate the guy. I am 22 so he was basically the only coach that I watched walk the sidelines every game. It was his time to go, but no hate from me. If others feel a reason to hate him then so be it. I will just be glad when we are back on top, and none of this matters anymore.:good!:
 
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VolDad said:
I appreciate what Majors did. I appreciate what Fulmer did in the 90’s. Fact is, since joining the SEC in the 30’s UT has won at least 2 SECC’s per decade with the exception of the 70’s and Fulmer’s 00’s.
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We were not better than Auburn in 04. Should have beaten LSU both times IMO. Both games were bungled by the players, in particular Eric Ainge. Two interceptions killed us. Jerrod Mayo played his heart out for us and I wanted that one badly (as we all did). The first one was lost because of Florida hangover, which we all had. I think Dooley will get us back and I can not wait. :loco::loco:
 
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NoCompetition2 said:
I dont hate the guy. I am 22 so he was basically the only coach that I watched walk the sidelines every game. It was his time to go, but no hate from me. If others feel a reason to hate him then so be it. I will just be glad when we are back on top, and none of this matters anymore.:good!:
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Being only 22, you missed out on Peyton at Bama in 95. Rashad Moore leading the chorus of "We own Alabama" in the middle of their famed Byrant-Denny Stadium after the 01 game. Georgia was our punching bag for the 90's. DAMN, You were only 12 when Casey drained the swamp. They still hate that one. Indeed, we spent the majority of your infancy dominating the SEC. The downside of that time is not beating Florida during the Mannings years, which cost us 2 more SEC titles. Here's to the Good Ole Days. :hi::hi::hi:
 
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Pee on Dickey!! Even most ardent fans will agree with that one. In comparing Fulmer and Majors we have to remember the program was run into the ground when Majors came back, much like Fulmer left it. When Fulmer took over Tennessee football was well established with only one year removed from back to back SEC titles! Fulmer (to coach again) is looking for the exact same set up to ever coach again. Displaying just how poorly he is thought of as a coach, unlike Majors, he's had no offers.
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olerusty22 said:
Pee on Dickey!! Even most ardent fans will agree with that one. In comparing Fulmer and Majors we have to remember the program was run into the ground when Majors came back, much like Fulmer left it. When Fulmer took over Tennessee football was well established with only one year removed from back to back SEC titles! Fulmer (to coach again) is looking for the exact same set up to ever coach again. Displaying just how poorly he is thought of as a coach, unlike Majors, he's had no offers.
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Except that Tennessee was not one year removed from back to back SEC titles. The only reason we won a title in 1990 was because Florida was on probation. We did not win the SEC in 91. In 89 we finished tied for Bama for best record but we lost the head to head to them. Fulmer's first 8 seasons was alot better than Major's final 4.
 
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ENGRVOL said:
Except that Tennessee was not one year removed from back to back SEC titles. The only reason we won a title in 1990 was because Florida was on probation. We did not win the SEC in 91. In 89 we finished tied for Bama for best record but we lost the head to head to them. Fulmer's first 8 seasons was alot better than Major's final 4.
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If you are going to play the "ifs and buts" game, what if Steorner doesn't fumble? What if we don't get a pass interference call against Syracuse? Hell, look at all of the flukey stuff that had to happen for us to get to ATL in 2007. :crazy:
 
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Do you think Phil would accept an alternative payment for the last 10 payments or so? Something like we rent out Krispy Kreme for a week for each remaining payment and let Phil have it to himself..... These are tough times guys, just trying to think of ways to save the athletic department a little money.
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Payments will continue only as long as the argument about the firing/hiring/hiring continues.
 
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utgibbs said:
Anybody with a living memory of the era knows Phil Fulmer immediately took the Vols to the next level, first when he became OC and again when he became HC.CJM is a TN legend, and we all love and respect him. Comparing his run to Fulmer's is good comedy kids with no living memory of the era can have fun with.

Given we look on a collision course for a LOIC with the double hiring whammy of Kiffin and Pearl by Mssr Hambone, Fulmer's record will only look better and better with age.
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I will try untwist this distortion of the facts

First, when Phillip became OC, it isn't like he was some kind of innovator. He used the exact same offense as Walt Harris had installed several years earlier. Second, he was only given the OC position under the CONDITION that David Cutcliffe would be the passing game coordinator. And the reins were pretty tight during that time. It wasn't like Phillip was given the offense and told to make something of it. It was more like he was put there to maintain some consistency

I have a trememdous amount of respect for CPF, but it is a complete distortion to state that he took the offense to another level.

Lets not forget it was Johnny himself who had the confidence in PF to make him OC. Majors wasn't given an edict to hire him either

As usual, Gibbs posts are based SOLELY on distortions and suppositions, rather than real facts
 
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If Phil is buying Krispy Kremes with the buyout, at least he's putting money back into a weak economy in the area.
 
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He needs to take his bucks and retire to the fish pond and playing with his grandchildren. He is done in college athletics as evidenced by the fact no one hired him after he was let go. Tub got a job as did most of the others who have been let go over the past few years....He is being paid too much....
 
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The Source said:
Do you think Phil would accept an alternative payment for the last 10 payments or so? Something like we rent out Krispy Kreme for a week for each remaining payment and let Phil have it to himself..... These are tough times guys, just trying to think of ways to save the athletic department a little money.
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Silly. :bad:
 
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shortgameVol said:
I will try untwist this distortion of the facts

First, when Phillip became OC, it isn't like he was some kind of innovator. He used the exact same offense as Walt Harris had installed several years earlier. Second, he was only given the OC position under the CONDITION that David Cutcliffe would be the passing game coordinator. And the reins were pretty tight during that time. It wasn't like Phillip was given the offense and told to make something of it. It was more like he was put there to maintain some consistency

I have a trememdous amount of respect for CPF, but it is a complete distortion to state that he took the offense to another level.

Lets not forget it was Johnny himself who had the confidence in PF to make him OC. Majors wasn't given an edict to hire him either

As usual, Gibbs posts are based SOLELY on distortions and suppositions, rather than real facts
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Actually, your posts are based solely on distortions and suppositions. Here's a few facts for you:

1. Cutcliffe didn't become the passing game coordinator until 1992, when Fulmer took on HC duties for several of the games. Cut wasn't the passing game coordinator in 1989, 1990 or 1991. Heck, Cutcliffe was the RB coach in 1989. So it's a complete lie to say Fulmer was "only given" the OC position "on condition" he hire Cutcliffe for a position Cut didn't even coach until 1992.

2. Walt Harris' offense from 1983-1988 was notably and woefully erratic. (By the way, it was Al Saunders' offense Harris was trying, but often failing, to properly install).

Harris' SEC rank in scoring offense as OC:
1983 - 5th out of 10
1984 - 4th out of 10
1985 - 2nd out of 10
1986 - 5th out of 10
1987 - 1st out of 10
1988 - 8th out of 10

Fulmer's SEC rank in scoring offense as OC:
1989 - 2nd out of 10
1990 - 1st out of 10
1991 - 2nd out of 10
1992 - 2nd out of 10

Fulmer's offense set scoring records at Tennessee at the time and it was the first time in the modern era we would have ever have back-to-back top-2 offenses in the SEC, and he did every year he was OC.
 
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