The Phil Fulmer buyout countdown

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Dan Federman said:
93 - 10-2
94 - 8-4
95 - 11-1
96 - 10-2
97 - 11-2
98 - 13-0
99 - 9-3
00 - 8-4
01 - 11-2 Best 9 years of Tennessee football in my lifetime that may never be done again. I'm not saying that it won't be but it will be tough. I love Coach Dooley and I hope that he can get us back there. I put the blame on Coach Fulmer for going 29-21 from 2005-2008 with two losing seasons(2002-2004 he was 28-11)But I don't understand the hate.
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You did not answer my question.

I already said that I will give you 1997 and 1998 Championship seasons. While our rivals measure success by Championships, you measure by number of wins.

Take out the 3 automatic wins each year against Vandy, Kentucky, and at least 1 scheduled patsy and what do you have? Keep polishing those participation trophies.
 
#252
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GreveHaller said:
because they never sat thru the 10 years of Johnny mediocre ball. They never experience any other coach so its the cool thing to do.
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You mean those 10 mediocre years prior to Fulmer with 3 Championships. You must hate Fulmer’s 17 years with 2.
 
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#253
Again, it was the best 9 years of Tennessee football in my life and I just turned 43. Thats all I'm saying. For that reaason, I don't understand the hate. I want to win championships(I can assure you I've won more than you have)but winning 9,10,11 games a year does mean something. I don't hang my hat on Championships alone. I don't know for sure but I'll bet that there is not another 9 year run in our history that matches 1993-2001. If there is it was with the General. As far as Vandy, Kentucky, and another cake, that holds true for every coach that ever coached at Tennessee.
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Here's the problem: alot of us look back on the 90's and realize what could have been. Every year we would lose to Fl and it would knock us out of the SEC champ game. WE would both go down with 1 SEC loss and our loss would be to them. IT cost us playing in major bowl games and the NC title more than once. You cannot tell me Spurrier had a better team than we did all 4 years of Mannings career. Manning never once beat him. CPF was not great against real coaches. WE beat people due to overhwelming talent. When our talent was even or just slightly better than the other team we would lose due to his horrible coaching. Guy was a choke artist.
 
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Dan Federman said:
Again, it was the best 9 years of Tennessee football in my life and I just turned 43. Thats all I'm saying. For that reaason, I don't understand the hate. I want to win championships(I can assure you I've won more than you have)but winning 9,10,11 games a year does mean something. I don't hang my hat on Championships alone. I don't know for sure but I'll bet that there is not another 9 year run in our history that matches 1993-2001. If there is it was with the General. As far as Vandy, Kentucky, and another cake, that holds true for every coach that ever coached at Tennessee.
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How can you do that?
 
#256
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I don't think Phil is a choke artist. From looking at his gut I have a hard time believing that he has ever choked on anything.
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VolDad said:
You mean those 10 mediocre years prior to Fulmer with 3 Championships. You must hate Fulmer’s 17 years with 2.
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1977 4-7

1978 5-5-1

1979 7-5

1980 5-6

1981 8-4

1982 6-5-1

1983 9-3

1984 7-4-1

1985 9-1-2 SEC Champion. First finish in top 20 since taking coach

1986 7-5


Would you let a coach go 9 seasons without winning the SEC or even finishing in the top 20? This is what we had to endure.
 
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GreveHaller said:
1977 4-7

1978 5-5-1

1979 7-5

1980 5-6

1981 8-4

1982 6-5-1

1983 9-3

1984 7-4-1

1985 9-1-2 SEC Champion. First finish in top 20 since taking coach

1986 7-5


Would you let a coach go 9 seasons without winning the SEC or even finishing in the top 20? This is what we had to endure.
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And we won 1985 as an asterick SEC title; Florida beat us on the field and had the better record, but probation from the past prohibited the moniker of an SEC title.
 
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Dan Federman said:
1) Well, have you won any as a coach.......any kind of Championsip......at any level? 2) Also, have you found a better 9 year run than 93-2001 in our history? There might be I haven't looked it up.
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1) Why do you need info from me? You said, "I can assure you I've won more than you have". Now do that.

2) UT has won at least 2 Conference Championships per Decade since joining the SEC in the 30's with the exception of the 70's and Fulmer's 00's. We won 2 in the 9 year period you reference; par for the course.

PS: You keep asking questions yet have never answered my original question to you. Why?
 
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GreveHaller said:
dont forget a national championship. How many did JM deliver?
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I never praising JM and I have already given credit to Fulmer for the NC.

You criticize JM by saying, “Would you let a coach go 9 seasons without winning the SEC” (disregarding his 1 SECC in that span) and praise Fulmer who went 10 with 0 SECC. Doesn’t make sense.
 
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I posted on this thread only because I do not understand the hate on here sometimes for Fulmer. I never said he was perfect nor did I say he was the best coach in the world. I just simply stated that during my lifetime(43 years) he was responsible for the dest nine years of Tennessee football. I still say that, other than the General, no other coach in our history won as many games and/or championships in a 9 year period.
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VegasVol said:
And we won 1985 as an asterick SEC title; Florida beat us on the field and had the better record, but probation from the past prohibited the moniker of an SEC title.
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plus titles #2 and #3 were splits, 2 way and 3 way iirc.

i like CJM but don't consider him the benchmark for UT football.
 
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Anybody with a living memory of the era knows Phil Fulmer immediately took the Vols to the next level, first when he became OC and again when he became HC.

CJM is a TN legend, and we all love and respect him. Comparing his run to Fulmer's is good comedy kids with no living memory of the era can have fun with.

Given we look on a collision course for a LOIC with the double hiring whammy of Kiffin and Pearl by Mssr Hambone, Fulmer's record will only look better and better with age.
 
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Dan Federman said:
93 - 10-2
94 - 8-4
95 - 11-1
96 - 10-2
97 - 11-2
98 - 13-0
99 - 9-3
00 - 8-4
01 - 11-2 Best 9 years of Tennessee football in my lifetime that may never be done again. I'm not saying that it won't be but it will be tough. I love Coach Dooley and I hope that he can get us back there. I put the blame on Coach Fulmer for going 29-21 from 2005-2008 with two losing seasons(2002-2004 he was 28-11)But I don't understand the hate.
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Two bad (losing) seasons in 05 and 08. Horrible. Two years of no bowl games as a result. Tragic. Lost 3 SEC title games. Brutal. Won two of them. Insufficient. Won the first crystal ball (which has lost none of its luster by the way). Unexplainably Unappreciated. He is also 100 games over 500 in the best league in the land. We must have murdered the other coaches in our history if we do this to our second best!!! I just don't understand the hatred and mockery. The SEC has always been tough since he took over. Multiple NFL players from all the teams. UK even had a top pick. And when did any team concede one of those 152 victories to us? Most likely never. So where is all the hatred brewed up at? 15 good years ought to buy you 2 bad ones. I could see it (maybe) if he had a legend to try to live up to ( USC, UA, Notre Dame), multiple Heisman's or national titles, but in this case, he is part of the legend! He was certainly not on top when he got canned, but damn. There it is, have at it guys.
 
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PimpVol said:
Two bad (losing) seasons in 05 and 08. Horrible. Two years of no bowl games as a result. Tragic. Lost 3 SEC title games. Brutal. Won two of them. Insufficient. Won the first crystal ball (which has lost none of its luster by the way). Unexplainably Unappreciated. He is also 100 games over 500 in the best league in the land. We must have murdered the other coaches in our history if we do this to our second best!!! I just don't understand the hatred and mockery. The SEC has always been tough since he took over. Multiple NFL players from all the teams. UK even had a top pick. And when did any team concede one of those 152 victories to us? Most likely never. So where is all the hatred brewed up at? 15 good years ought to buy you 2 bad ones. I could see it (maybe) if he had a legend to try to live up to ( USC, UA, Notre Dame), multiple Heisman's or national titles, but in this case, he is part of the legend! He was certainly not on top when he got canned, but damn. There it is, have at it guys.
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I, unlike others, appreciate redundancy. Well done. Let's hash this out.

2 questions:

1. Were you satisfied with our program's level of accomplishment and direction from 2002-2008 (seven full seasons)?

If the answer is no,

2. Do you believe Fulmer was on the verge of turning us around?
 
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WesternKyVol said:
I, unlike others, appreciate redundancy. Well done. Let's hash this out.

2 questions:

1. Were you satisfied with our program's level of accomplishment and direction from 2002-2008 (seven full seasons)?

If the answer is no,

2. Do you believe Fulmer was on the verge of turning us around?
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No. He was most likely not. We were going to have a new coach. Surely. But I am speaking of the continued hatred. There are some good things to remember too. We are all ready to get back on top but do we have to continually desecrate him? We do not need or want
him back. Be clear on that. But again, damn. Have back at it. By the way, the very definition of redundancy is this whole business of posting everytime he gets paid. Ironic or just funny, you decide.
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#272
Beep beep...

Total payout to date: $3,500,000
Remaining payout: $2,500,000
Monthly payments made: 28
Monthly payments remaining: 20

:crazy:
 
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I guess the surprise factor should have worn off by now, yet I am still surprised by the widespread vitriol from UT fans toward PF. I would not want PF coaching UT today, and I did believe that it was time for him to go. But, winning 70 percent of your games, two SEC titles, and a national championship count for a heck of a lot in my book. I look back proudly on his years at UT.

Question: how do we feel about Johnny Majors? Record and titles vs. record and titles, PF blows him out of the water.
 
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homesweetTN said:
I guess the surprise factor should have worn off by now, yet I am still surprised by the widespread vitriol from UT fans toward PF. I would not want PF coaching UT today, and I did believe that it was time for him to go. But, winning 70 percent of your games, two SEC titles, and a national championship count for a heck of a lot in my book. I look back proudly on his years at UT.

Question: how do we feel about Johnny Majors? Record and titles vs. record and titles, PF blows him out of the water.
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What?!?

Johnny - 1 NC, 3 SECC
Fulmer - 1 NC, 2 SECC
 
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VolDad said:
What?!?

Johnny - 1 NC, 3 SECC
Fulmer - 1 NC, 2 SECC
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I am talking about Johnny Majors when he coached at TN. His national championship at Pittsburgh (the year before he came to TN) does nothing for us. National championships don't transfer over. We endured two very sub-par years with Fulmer and some others that were not great. But with coach Majors - who is a VFL - we endured many sub-par years. And it was not until the last five years or so of his tenure that TN began to be noticed again.
 
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