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Behr, no man will ever want a pardon for a crime if he's never been found guilty of a crime.
 
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BigO95 said:
Are you saying that you don't?
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No. I just said I'm an expert on it. If you'd followed my other conversations that you think reveal my true heart you'd already know that.

Now, are you without pride? Go ahead and say it.
 
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Behr said:
No. I just said I'm an expert on it. If you'd followed my other conversations that you think reveal my true heart you'd already know that.

Now, are you without pride? Go ahead and say it.
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So your proud of how humble you are? Gotcha
 
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You're dishonest an a liar. You have no idea who I am, what I'll say or why I'll say it.

That's arrogance and pride.
 
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BigO95 said:
Adrian Rogers, the now-deceased legendary pastor of Bellevue, reportedly was unaware of Williams' abuse.
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The abuse happened during his tenure, the leadership knew. Whether or not Rogers had plausible deniability to the specifics is a moot point and I will take the church at their word when they say he didn't know. It still does not change my overall point that during Rogers and Gaines tenue, MALE church leadership consistently covered up abuse claims.
 
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Behr said:
It's not an attack.

You have no problem giving me what you believe is truth, can't you handle it?
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I'm gonna keep doing what God called me to do. I'm gonna preach hell hot, heaven sweet, call sin what it is and tell of the wonderful grace of the Lord Jesus Christ that can save poor sinners from their sin and hell!
I really wish you nothing but God's best. I hope to see you in heaven some day and that you have a nice life.
 
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WestTennesseeFox said:
The abuse happened during his tenure, the leadership knew. Whether or not Rogers had plausible deniability to the specifics is a moot point and I will take the church at their word when they say he didn't know. It still does not change my overall point that during Rogers and Gaines tenue, MALE church leadership consistently covered up abuse claims.
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So all male leadership is wicked because a few were? Is that what you are saying?
 
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BigO95 said:
I'm gonna keep doing what God called me to do. I'm gonna preach hell hot, heaven sweet, call sin what it is and tell of the wonderful grace of the Lord Jesus Christ that can save poor sinners from their sin and hell!
I really wish you nothing but God's best. I hope to see you in heaven some day and that you have a nice life.
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Obviously when you're forced to be honest you redirect. I guarantee God wants you to be honest and not hide your personal glorification behind his name. I believe you do and I have every bit of evidence from your conversations as you you believe you have on mine.

I'm dug in like a tick and I'll be right here.
 
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WestTennesseeFox said:
The abuse happened during his tenure, the leadership knew. Whether or not Rogers had plausible deniability to the specifics is a moot point and I will take the church at their word when they say he didn't know. It still does not change my overall point that during Rogers and Gaines tenue, MALE church leadership consistently covered up abuse claims.
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It reminds me so much of the Penn State child abuse scandal. Maybe Paterno knew, maybe he didn’t.

But it is incumbent on leadership to clearly state an organization’s ethical policies, clearly state the responsibility of everyone to abide by them, clearly state the responsibility of all to keep top leadership informed of violations, deal with violations immediately, and do what is possible to support those hurt by the violator.

This is even more important for organizations such as religious and educational institutions, who are trusted with the development of young and/or vulnerable people.

Failing to make this clear to all (management, staff, volunteers, and members) is messaging that we don’t really care all that much and we’re making nice noises, and that our potential discomfort and embarrassment in hearing about misbehavior is what we really value.

Edit to add after ORB’s like: religious, educational, and healthcare institutions - those most likely to be serving vulnerable populations. But that doesn’t diminish the responsibility of everyday orgs like retail and tech and service and financial and all the rest to refuse to turn a blind eye.
 
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