The ofishal zone devotional thread!

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rocytop2624 said:
You son of a batch you go tell a loved one that lost a love one that killed there self and tell them there loved one is in hell. Sorry fuggers on here. It like no one thinks or cares what others think.
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I have never done such a thing, and never would… to attribute to me only things you’ve heard about others
 
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Coastypop said:
My last comment on the subject is a direct quote … it begins with Luke 16:1 … I leave out the first verses that don’t pertain

Luke 16:1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods.
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19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.



The question must be answered who is the “He” that verse one spoke of… the last chapter leaves one without doubt that it is Jesus… but only you can answer that in your own mind ..
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Vs 27 equates father Abraham with G-d.
That’s not reality so it must be a parable unless you think Abraham received and answered prayers.
This is a parable about the nation of Israel and them not accepting Yeshua. It’s not about hell. Lazarus literally comes back from the dead to testify about Yeshua and the nation doesn’t believe……just like the parable said they would not.

The concept of eternal torture is pagan and is being used to prevent people from understanding who G-d is.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Vs 27 equates father Abraham with G-d.
That’s not reality so it must be a parable unless you think Abraham received and answered prayers.
This is a parable about the nation of Israel and them not accepting Yeshua. It’s not about hell. Lazarus literally comes back from the dead to testify about Yeshua and the nation doesn’t believe……just like the parable said they would not.

The concept of eternal torture is pagan and is being used to prevent people from understanding who G-d is.
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If it is a parable it is the only one that Jesus ever used that he call out a person by name.. he in ever other single case (when using a parable) never used a proper name but only said a “certain” man, woman, person etc.

I can’t help if you see Abraham as an issue… I only accept it for what it says

I still consider you my friend, don’t k ow how this got so heated but I believe the text for what it says as I see it… I don’t try and explain away what I don’t understand or like
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
That’s not the first time I’ve heard that interpretation. And while I don’t agree, that’s a more consistent view of the G-d of Torah than the “I’m gonna burn you if you don’t love me” G-d being pushed by the eternal torcher guys
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I was a head dipped in the river by a preacher Baptist but have alot of independent in me.
 
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Goodnight guys… thanks for stretching my mind… if you can’t take a challenge then you don’t believe what you say you do
 
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Coastypop said:
Name one post or share one post where I said that people who committed suicide go to hell.. if you can’t they you leave
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It’s what you responded too.
If you stepped on your Richard by butting in without knowing what’s going on then that’s on you. That’s how Rocy sees what you did and he’s not wrong
 
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Coastypop said:
If it is a parable it is the only one that Jesus ever used that he call out a person by name.. he in ever other single case (when using a parable) never used a proper name but only said a “certain” man, woman, person etc.

I can’t help if you see Abraham as an issue… I only accept it for what it says

I still consider you my friend, don’t k ow how this got so heated but I believe the text for what it says as I see it… I don’t try and explain away what I don’t understand or like
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No you really don’t.
You ignore what it actually says in favor of what you want it to say.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Vs 27 equates father Abraham with G-d.
That’s not reality so it must be a parable unless you think Abraham received and answered prayers.
This is a parable about the nation of Israel and them not accepting Yeshua. It’s not about hell. Lazarus literally comes back from the dead to testify about Yeshua and the nation doesn’t believe……just like the parable said they would not.

The concept of eternal torture is pagan and is being used to prevent people from understanding who G-d is.
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^^^^^^^
 
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Coastypop said:
No you! I believe all scripture not just the parts I like
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Unless you and lilo live it then you will never fully understand it. The shït I have done and God can still love me. Then he can love all. You never know what someone's last thought is or if God comes and they see him. If you had a child and he didn't mind you would you torcher him for life? If He or she messed up would you make them burn? I see a loving forgiving Jesus. He forgave the people who killed him. What you think he would do for his other children?
 
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