The ofishal zone devotional thread!

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Revelation 20:7 ¶And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11¶ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

@vol445 serious question.... If the people just burn up and are annialated, why even have a judgement? And secondly, verse 13 is saying that the people in hell are delivered up to be judged. How can this be if they just burn up? It seems to me that they have already been in hell for sometime at this point.
If you don't want to discuss it I understand. Just some food for thought.
Good night friend I'll pick up tomorrow if I have time and you want to discuss it?
 
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Behr said:
I think you're as clueless as he is. Why in the world would I be hurt that there's no hell? Or are you talking about being called a goat ******?

Slice probably really happy that you're helping in keeping this on the front page.

Lol.

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Well Behr, welcome to the slice hit list.... By the way I completely agree with your assessment of the whole situation with slice.
I'm glad to see you standing for what you believe in! Nothing wrong with that at all...
 
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Seeing KJV translation is in question I thought I would post Luke 16 in the NIV… and ask that you simply look at the last word in verse 24…. I am not trying to stir the pot, I have not accused anyone of having sex with goats, and I have not called anyone a false prophet… nor attacked anyone personally… but eventually we must all decide if the word “fire” means fire 🔥 or something else … that is up to you but It is there (even in the NIV)

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”
 
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Coastypop said:
Seeing KJV translation is in question I thought I would post Luke 16 in the NIV… and ask that you simply look at the last word in verse 24…. I am not trying to stir the pot, I have not accused anyone of having sex with goats, and I have not called anyone a false prophet… nor attacked anyone personally… but eventually we must all decide if the word “fire” means fire 🔥 or something else … that is up to you but It is there (even in the NIV)

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ 25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ 27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “ ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’ ”
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But @joevol33 is a Zoner. You sure?
 
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The former argument is getting old to me ..
 

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