The Official Rick Barnes discussion thread

[OrangeInKy]

I think most if not all,will. I'm nobody's fool.

Yeah, if LSU, UConn, Texas, South Carolina and programs like that come calling and they reject them then you’re kidding yourself. Also, “fools errand” is an expression. Teams that win championships in college sports in this era do so with experience /portal players.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

And to be fair, he didn't discover Nate Oats. Bobby Hurley did, and hired him as an assistant. Oats simply promoted him when Hurley left. Credit to him for doing so, but it isn't exactly like he scoured the coaching ranks and plucked Oats out of anonymity.

And Danny White hired Bobby Hurley

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Yeah, if LSU, UConn, Texas, South Carolina and programs like that come calling and they reject them then you’re kidding yourself. Also, “fools errand” is an expression. Teams that win championships in college sports in this era do so with experience /portal players.

I will point out one trend (at least so far). Because so many think Caldwell's system isn't good we haven't seen any big programs poach here.

Ayodele transferred to Grand Canyon
Avery Strickland transferred to Belmont
Destinee Wells transferred to UT Martin
Karoline Striplin transferred to Indiana

 

[swampfoxfan]

Yeah, if LSU, UConn, Texas, South Carolina and programs like that come calling and they reject them then you’re kidding yourself. Also, “fools errand” is an expression. Teams that win championships in college sports in this era do so with experience /portal players.

Ok believe what you will

 

[OrangeInKy]

Ok believe what you will

Ok, I will believe data.

 

[OrangeInKy]

I will point out one trend (at least so far). Because so many think Caldwell's system isn't good we haven't seen any big programs poach here.

Ayodele transferred to Grand Canyon
Avery Strickland transferred to Belmont
Destinee Wells transferred to UT Martin
Karoline Striplin transferred to Indiana

So that indicates another issue altogether.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

So that indicates another issue altogether.

She's very good at cutting dead weight and recruiting better talent?

 

[cncchris33]

And Danny White hired Bobby Hurley

And that hasn't exactly turned to gold at his only P4 job. Surprising he's lasted as long as he has at ASU. 10 seasons with 6 losing seasons and only 3 NCAAT appearance.

 

[GBO18]

And that hasn't exactly turned to gold at his only P4 job. Surprising he's lasted as long as he has at ASU. 10 seasons with 6 losing seasons and only 3 NCAAT appearance. One of those appearances was a F4 nine years ago, so he's drained that equity dry.

He hasn’t made a F4 at ASU has he? Totally forgot if he did.

 

[cncchris33]

He hasn’t made a F4 at ASU has he? Totally forgot if he did.

No, I misread that. FIRST Four, not Final Four, which makes it even worse. I'll edit. Thanks.

 

[GBO18]

No, I misread that. FIRST Four, not Final Four, which makes it even worse. I'll edit. Thanks.

Haha yea no clue why he has not been fired yet. Has done nothing there.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Ok, I will believe data.

Data of what? We lost players to what highly ranked team?

And while you're on data compute Tennessee called for 25 fouls vs Texas 12. That's some BS

 

[MoCo_Vol]

And that hasn't exactly turned to gold at his only P4 job. Surprising he's lasted as long as he has at ASU. 10 seasons with 6 losing seasons and only 3 NCAAT appearance.

Just saying the AD hired the coach that hired Oats so he approved of him twice basically...once to be an assistant for Hurley and then again to elevate him to replace Hurley. DW has a good process for hiring coaches and giving them the resources they need to do well.

Hurley won 67.7% at Buffalo and won 2 reg. season titles, a conf. tourney title and then NCAA appearance
Oats then won 69.1% at Buffalo and won 3 conf. tourney titles, 2 reg. season titles and made 3 NCAA appearances including 2 wins to reach 2nd round

Those are the only NCAA appearances in Buffalo history and those 2 hires account for every title except 1 reg. season title won by Reggie Witherspoon.

 

[cncchris33]

Just saying the AD hired the coach that hired Oats so he approved of him twice basically...once to be an assistant for Hurley and then again to elevate him to replace Hurley. DW has a good process for hiring coaches and giving them the resources they need to do well.

Hurley won 67.7% at Buffalo and won 2 reg. season titles, a conf. tourney title and then NCAA appearance
Oats then won 69.1% at Buffalo and won 3 conf. tourney titles, 2 reg. season titles and made 3 NCAA appearances including 2 wins to reach 2nd round

Those are the only NCAA appearances in Buffalo history and those 2 hires account for every title except 1 reg. season title won by Reggie Witherspoon.

Perhaps giving him too much credit on the original hire. Approving of him isn't really a feather in the cap to the AD, but I digress. Not worth arguing over. We aren't changing each other's mind on Danny White based on Nate Oats.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Surely there is a Kim Caldwell thread in a Lady Vols' forum

 

[DMcVol]

Oats is a good recruiter and a fair game coach but he's a slug. The other two haven't exactly set D1 on fire.

Leipold has had some success at a really tough place to win…

 

[OrangeInKy]

She's very good at cutting dead weight and recruiting better talent?

Possibly. There’s another way to look at it. Time will tell.

 

[OrangeInKy]

Data of what? We lost players to what highly ranked team?

And while you're on data compute Tennessee called for 25 fouls vs Texas 12. That's some BS

Data on teams in college sports winning with freshmen/high school recruits versus the portal .

 

[swampfoxfan]

Data on teams in college sports winning with freshmen/high school recruits versus the portal .

No contaminating Rick Barnes thread anymore.

 

[OrangeInKy]

No contaminating Rick Barnes thread anymore.

I contaminate every thread I enter and every room I walk into and Im not stopping now.

 

[knoxvol52]

Arizona State is or was a College Baseball school, football and basketball is there just for amusement for the fans...

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Dean Smith had 879 wins. Barnes has 856 and should pass him next year. I’m sure Rick wouldn’t mind hanging a banner in his home for that.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Dean Smith had 879 wins. Barnes has 856 and should pass him next year. I’m sure Rick wouldn’t mind hanging a banner in his home for that.

I'd love to see Rick take us to our first Final Four AND pass Ray Mears for most wins with 279 (27 away)

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Barnes needs about 50 wins to be a top 5 winningest coach.

1) Coach K (1,202)
2) Boeheim (1,116)
3) Pitino (907 and counting)
4) Roy Williams (903)
5) Bobby Knight (899)
6) Calapari (897 and counting)
7) Dean Smith (879)
8) Calhoun (877)
9) Rupp (876)
10) Huggie Bear (863)
11) Barnes (856)
12) Bill Self (851 and counting)
15) Dana Altman (790 and counting)
19) Mark Few (769 and counting)

Career Coaching Men's Leaders and Records for Wins | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Career Coaching Men's Leaders and Records for Wins

www.sports-reference.com

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I think he’d love to pass the UNC coaches. Roy and Dean.