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#226
#226
bamacheats said:
Amare is "probable" for game 3, Billups is "doubtful".

I'll believe it when I see it. I think they both suit up for game 3. Probably rest Billups as much as he can, all depending on the flow of the game.
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Good call on Billups.

He has played his last game as a Knick.
 
#227
#227
Folded like a cheap tent tonight. But its a lot of bad luck when your best player gets back spasms during the playoffs. Oh well, at least we made it, its been a tough decade as a Knicks fan.
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#229
#229
Amare not expected to play today. He says its gametime decision, but that means insignificant minutes at best.
Billups realizes he's not part of the plan and has checked out.
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#232
#232
No point guard, no center, and a head coach who refuses to hire a defensive assistant = sweep unfortunately.
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#233
#233
That'll change next year. If they get Chris Paul like many expect, they'll be a tough matchup for anybody.
 
#237
#237
Even if the Knicks get Chris Paul, I'm not sure the team will be very good.

Amare Stoudemire in the playoffs...

Game 1: 28pts 11rebs 2blks 12/18
Game 2: 4pts 5rebs 0blks 2/9
Game 3: 7pts 3rebs 0blks 2/8
Game 4: 20pts 11rebs 1blk 5/20
Average: 14.8pts 7.5rebs .75blks 38.2%

That's terrible for a big man. Especially one who is so suppose to be a superstar and in his prime. To make matters worse, KG and JO are old. Kristic sucks and Big Baby is a jump shooter who isn't even around the basket half the time. Hopefully Stoudemire can get it together for the sake of the Knicks. Starting to look like it's Carmelo Anthony vs. the world. Knicks roster is baaad.
 
#238
#238
Knicks need a few things before they can become contenders. They are, in order of priority:

1. New owner
2. New Head Coach
3. Point guard
4. Center
5. New G.M. (Walsh is not bad but he's on his way out, end of next year maybe)
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#239
#239
If the Knicks get Chris Paul they will be a contender next year. In my opinion he is the 3rd best PG ever, and that's coming from a huge Deron Williams fan. Magic = Stockton, then Paul.

Paul had a 4.45:1 assist to turnover ratio this year. I think that's a record for 700+ assists in a season.
 
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#240
#240
I agree with Magic but I disagree with Stockton and Paul. I might even take Nash over Stockton. He had Karl Malone and the most they accomplished as a team was playing in one championship. I'd put Stockton in the top 10 but I couldn't put him as number one or number two. And it's way too early to rank Chris Paul. He definitely wouldn't be third if I did.

If number one is Magic, Oscar Robertson is without doubt number two. Even though I might take Nash over Stockton, I wouldn't have a problem with Stockton at 3rd. But that's because a number of guys could be 3rd. Isiah Thomas, Steve Nash, Jason Kidd.

I might even choose Oscar over Magic fwiw. As far as Chris Paul goes, he may very well be 3rd when all is said and done. But he is currently on par with those guys after his 6th season. They all played closer to 15. We'll just have to see if his numbers rise or decline. You'd hope they would rise since he is only 25 but he is averaging the fewest points of his career this season. And at some point, they'll have to decline due to age. That's probably 5 years away but it's too early for me to say he is 3rd overall. Jmo.
 
#241
#241
The_Orange_Pearl said:
I agree with Magic but I disagree with Stockton and Paul. I might even take Nash over Stockton. He had Karl Malone and the most they accomplished as a team was playing in one championship. I'd put Stockton in the top 10 but I couldn't put him as number one or number two. And it's way too early to rank Chris Paul. He definitely wouldn't be third if I did.
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Nash played with Dirk, Marion, and Amare. Nash has never even been to the finals. Stockton is a better player than Malone. Malone always overshadowed him and it's stupid because Stockton was the better player. BTW, Stockton and Malone played in 2 championships, losing both times to one of the greatest teams of all time.

Stockton had 15 and 13 for 5 seasons (17 and 14 twice). He shot 52% for his career.

Stockton 1991 : 17.2 ppg, 14.2 apg, 2.9 spg, shot 51%, won 54 games and finished 12th in MVP voting??!!

Nash 2005 : 15.5 ppg, 11.5 apg, 1.0 spg, shot 50%, won 60 games and finished 1st in MVP voting.

Stockton is one of the most under-appreciated players of all time. That being said, Nash is very good, just not Stockton.
 
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nbakerld said:
Nash played with Dirk, Marion, and Amare. Nash has never even been to the finals. Stockton is a better player than Malone. Malone always overshadowed him and it's stupid because Stockton was the better player. BTW, Stockton and Malone played in 2 championships, losing both times to one of the greatest teams of all time.

Stockton had 15 and 13 for 5 seasons (17 and 14 twice). He shot 52% for his career.

Stockton 1991 : 17.2 ppg, 14.2 apg, 2.9 spg, shot 51%, won 54 games and finished 12th in MVP voting??!!

Nash 2005 : 15.5 ppg, 11.5 apg, 1.0 spg, shot 50%, won 60 games and finished 1st in MVP voting.

Stockton is one of the most under-appreciated players of all time. That being said, Nash is very good, just not Stockton.
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Marion hasn't been good since.

Amare tanked in the playoffs.

Dirk is good.

Point is... Stockton and Malone both rank in the top 50 all time and the only played in one championship together?

Marion will never be a top 50 player. Dirk and Nash are both borderline but probably won't make it. Dirk won't anyways.

Shouldn't two top 50 players accomplish more than a single championship loss? We're not talking Dan Marino with 20 other bums. We're talking 2 of 5 of starters that are top 50. Russel was pretty good also.

It's just my opinion. Having watched Bagwell and Biggio carry 20 other guys, I'm not overly impressed by Stockton and Malone. They receive more praise than Bagwell and Biggio will ever get.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
Marion hasn't been good since.

Amare tanked in the playoffs.

Dirk is good.

Point is... Stockton and Malone both rank in the top 50 all time and the only played in one championship together?

Marion will never be a top 50 player. Dirk and Nash are both borderline but probably won't make it. Dirk won't anyways.

Shouldn't two top 50 players accomplish more than a single championship loss? We're not talking Dan Marino with 20 other bums. We're talking 2 of 5 of starters that are top 50. Russel was pretty good also.

It's just my opinion. Having watched Bagwell and Biggio carry 20 other guys, I'm not overly impressed by Stockton and Malone. They receive more praise than Bagwell and Biggio will ever get.
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Bagwell and Biggio? Let's stick with basketball.

Once again, Malone and Stockton played in 2 finals and went to game 6 twice with one of the best teams ever. Winning a championship is never about 2 players. You need 6-8 players to be somewhat good and then the rest of the roster can be crap. Bryon Russell was not a very good player (below average rebounder and shot 43% for his career). At best he was an OK defender. Marion was an all-star before Nash got there.

'98 Jazz starting 4 in order of productivity that year:

Karl Malone (27, 10, .530)
Jeff Hornacek (14, 4, .482)
Adam Keefe (8, 5, .540)
Greg Ostertag (5, 6, and .481)

'05 Suns starting 4 in order of productivity:

Amare Stoudemire (26, 9, .559)
Shawn Marion (19, 11, .476)
Joe Johsnon (17, 5, and .461)
Quentin Richardson (15, 6, and .389 but he mostly shot 3's at .358)

So Nash was playing with 3 other All-stars and Stockton was playing with 1 other HOFer. Stockton went to 2 Finals. Nash will never go. Also we haven't even mentioned that Nash has no defensive ability, and Stockton is the all-time leader in steals.

No sane person would take Nash over Stockton.
 
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#245
#245
Knicks have 5 days to buy out Billups or pay him 14 mil next year. His buyout is 3.7 mil I think.
This is a coin flip imo. Toney Douglas is not a pg, nor is he even a competent back-up.
 
#246
#246
Also, the Jazz beat a great team to get to the finals in '97 and '98. The Rockets had Barkley, Olajuwan, and Drexler who were all still very productive (Drexler not so much in '98), and they had very efficient role players like Kevin Willis, Mario Elie, and Matt Maloney. That was a great team. 3 HOFers, and the Jazz beat them. Remember, Stockton nailed the series-clinching 3 in Barkley's face?
 
#247
#247
nbakerld said:
Also, the Jazz beat a great team to get to the finals in '97 and '98. The Rockets had Barkley, Olajuwan, and Drexler who were all still very productive (Drexler not so much in '98), and they had very efficient role players like Kevin Willis, Mario Elie, and Matt Maloney. That was a great team. 3 HOFers, and the Jazz beat them. Remember, Stockton nailed the series-clinching 3 in Barkley's face?
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Charles played for the Rockets?
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#248
#248
Walsh is expected to sign a 2 yr extension as GM tomorrow and he also wants to sign Billups to his final year at 14.2 mil.
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