The Official It Was A Good Call Thread

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#101
You get the ball to your best player--somebody who can create off the dribble and get a shot. That IS WHAT YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION. THAT IS WHAT COACHES HAVE BEEN DOING IN BB FOR 70 YEARS. That means McRae or Richardson gets it, makes a move, shoots or drives to the rack. Ideally he shoots with a few seconds left so that Stokes or somebody has a chance to rebound the ball if you miss. What you DON'T do is throw the ball to your center--let me repeat, your center--12-15 feet from the basket. It was a dumb play call. And, truthfully, while most good officials would not have blown the whistle at all, the michigan player had pretty good position. Had we gotten the ball to McRae, we would have at least gotten a shot.
 
#102
#102
This is why I hate basketball. All of it is judgement--foul on one end, exactly the same thing is no foul on the other end. I think football and some other sports (think golf) are a little more objective.
 
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armchair said:
You get the ball to your best player--somebody who can create off the dribble and get a shot. That IS WHAT YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION. THAT IS WHAT COACHES HAVE BEEN DOING IN BB FOR 70 YEARS. That means McRae or Richardson gets it, makes a move, shoots or drives to the rack. Ideally he shoots with a few seconds left so that Stokes or somebody has a chance to rebound the ball if you miss. What you DON'T do is throw the ball to your center--let me repeat, your center--12-15 feet from the basket. It was a dumb play call. And, truthfully, while most good officials would not have blown the whistle at all, the michigan player had pretty good position. Had we gotten the ball to McRae, we would have at least gotten a shot.
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Stokes is UT's best player. Giving the ball to him increases the chance that McRae will get a good look on the jumpshot or preferably to the basket. If he doesn't draw the double then he has a good chance to score or draw the foul.
 
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armchair said:
You get the ball to your best player--somebody who can create off the dribble and get a shot. That IS WHAT YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION. THAT IS WHAT COACHES HAVE BEEN DOING IN BB FOR 70 YEARS. That means McRae or Richardson gets it, makes a move, shoots or drives to the rack. Ideally he shoots with a few seconds left so that Stokes or somebody has a chance to rebound the ball if you miss. What you DON'T do is throw the ball to your center--let me repeat, your center--12-15 feet from the basket. It was a dumb play call. And, truthfully, while most good officials would not have blown the whistle at all, the michigan player had pretty good position. Had we gotten the ball to McRae, we would have at least gotten a shot.
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It is not a dumb play call when you know a double might come and you have an open or cutting player. What would you say if they had doubled McRae and he loses the ball, which has happened often? The play was fine, the execution was not good, and the foul call was horrible. Get over or go coach yourself.
 
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3holenones said:
On Yahoo Sports

A dunk by Morgan put the Wolverines up eight points with 2:22 remaining. The Volunteers, however, went on a 7-0 run spurred by three turnovers, including an inbounds pressure that saw Caris LeVert step on Tennessee's baseline with just 9.6 seconds remaining.
That set the stage for the game's disputed play. The rule change instituted before the season states that the defender must be established before the offensive player begins his motion to shoot or pass.

OP. If you think he was established ...
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/michigan-tennessee-sweet-16-230946356.html

heres the link
 
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#108
Listen to Stokes media video...he says at least 5 times "with the new rule I wasn't even thinking a charge was possible".

He's completely right, with the new rules that's not even close to a charge.
 
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#109
The rule plainly states:

The rule change instituted before the season states that the defender must be established before the offensive player begins his motion to shoot or pass.

Morgan was nowhere near set before Stokes made his move. The official had his head up his ass like most college hoops refs. If coaches and players are held accountable then incompetent refs should be too.
 
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armchair said:
You get the ball to your best player--somebody who can create off the dribble and get a shot. That IS WHAT YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION. THAT IS WHAT COACHES HAVE BEEN DOING IN BB FOR 70 YEARS. That means McRae or Richardson gets it, makes a move, shoots or drives to the rack. Ideally he shoots with a few seconds left so that Stokes or somebody has a chance to rebound the ball if you miss. What you DON'T do is throw the ball to your center--let me repeat, your center--12-15 feet from the basket. It was a dumb play call. And, truthfully, while most good officials would not have blown the whistle at all, the michigan player had pretty good position. Had we gotten the ball to McRae, we would have at least gotten a shot.
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Stokes is the best player. Not McRae or Richardson.
 
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zjcvols said:
Stokes is the best player. Not McRae or Richardson.
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He's the best player, but I would've won or lost it with the ball in Richardson or McRae's hands. They both were on in that game. Stokes isn't the best ball handler especially that far away from the basket. I'd rather the other two guys handle it that far out.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
He's the best player, but I would've won or lost it with the ball in Richardson or McRae's hands. They both were on in that game. Stokes isn't the best ball handler especially that far away from the basket. I'd rather the other two guys handle it that far out.
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We wouldn't have been able to inbound the ball to them anywhere that they would have had room to work. Running away from the basket out near half court or running to the baseline corner to get trapped.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
He's the best player, but I would've won or lost it with the ball in Richardson or McRae's hands. They both were on in that game. Stokes isn't the best ball handler especially that far away from the basket. I'd rather the other two guys handle it that far out.
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You're going to have to give it to them in the short corner, or with the over the top into the back court pass based on where U.T. was inbounding the ball.
 
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jjay2518 said:
We wouldn't have been able to inbound the ball to them anywhere that they would have had room to work. Running away from the basket out near half court or running to the baseline corner to get trapped.
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We had almost 10 seconds. We had plenty of time. Stokes had McRae wide open and chose to drive the ball.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
We had almost 10 seconds. We had plenty of time. Stokes had McRae wide open and chose to drive the ball.
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So you have no problem with the initial inbound pass, just the fact that Stokes didn't pass it again. I can agree with that, but I think that is a player trying to make a play, and not bad coaching.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
We had almost 10 seconds. We had plenty of time. Stokes had McRae wide open and chose to drive the ball.
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Yes, after it was inbounded to him. Seemed like you were saying you wanted the ball inbounded to Richardson or McRae. Michigan was working to deny them both. Going through Stokes first to draw the initial double was the right call. Seemed to me (especially in the yahoo gif) that he was turning to pass to a cutting McRae as the whistle was blown. Just got a bad break.
 
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#121
drewtigeralum said:
So you have no problem with the initial inbound pass, just the fact that Stokes didn't pass it again. I can agree with that, but I think that is a player trying to make a play, and not bad coaching.
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Yep, people can quibble over whether Stokes went a step or two too deep, but I'm not going to fault a guy for playing aggressive.
 
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drewtigeralum said:
So you have no problem with the initial inbound pass, just the fact that Stokes didn't pass it again. I can agree with that, but I think that is a player trying to make a play, and not bad coaching.
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I didn't say it was bad coaching. I said I would've went with the two hot hands and that was McRae and Richardson. Not a 3, but a midrange jumper. McRae didn't hit a 3 all night. I don't know if Stokes was the person that was supposed to take the shot, but he got double teamed and still tried to drive it. He should've passed it off IMO.
 
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