The Official Indianapolis Colts Thread

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#3,527
The more I look at their draft, the better it seems.

Aside from getting Luck to hook up with Fleener yet again (one of the best QB-TE combos I've ever seen in the Pac), TY Hilton and LaVon Brazill were both small conference guys that I thought would have gone higher than they did. I honestly thought Hilton was one of the best 3-4 receivers in college football last season.
 
#3,528
#3,528
I initially questioned why they took Allen, then I figured they wanted to make Luck as comfortable as possible by replicating his comfort zone while at Stanford. He threw to his TEs a ton in college. And I love TY Hilton, speedy slot guy and probably returns punts and kicks from day 1
 
#3,529
#3,529
I like the Draft results too, especially Hilton. If the Colts can improve their return game, that would pay big dividends for the offense.

I guess we wait til next year to address the defense.
 
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#3,530
OldandStillaVol said:
I like the Draft results too, especially Hilton. If the Colts can improve their return game, that would pay big dividends for the offense.

I guess we wait til next year to address the defense.
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They probably had the worst return game every year Manning was there. Can't understand why they never were good at it.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
I like the Draft results too, especially Hilton. If the Colts can improve their return game, that would pay big dividends for the offense.

I guess we wait til next year to address the defense.
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I think the offense was in bigger need than the D, Don't forget they brought over 3 Ravens and all 3 will probably start right off and Bethea, Mathis, Powers, Freeney and Angerer are all still there. I expect the D to be better than most expect
 
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#3,536
milohimself said:
... Who account for half the Lombardi trophies from 2001-2010.

IMO, 7 of the last 10 Super Bowl winners were at least more offense-oriented, and 5 of those significantly more offense-oriented.
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Yeah, but the Patriots' titles were mostly about the D.

There are only 3 teams of the last 10 (by my count) to win it with offense being the much stronger side of the ball (Colts, Packers, and Saints).
 
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#3,537
Steelers
Steelers
Giants
Giants
Patriots
Patriots
Patriots

Would be the 7 that were more about the D.
 
#3,538
#3,538
I've been trying to figure out how these receiving options around Luck will fit into Arians' offense, anyone have any insight there? I'm not too familiar with what the Steelers had been running, I've read that it's heavy on bunch formations.
 
#3,540
#3,540
It's ridiculously early but I think its safe to say we will have a top ten pick next year. I wouldn't mind getting another top shelf lineman and then going heavy defense.
 
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#3,541
n_huffhines said:
Yeah, but the Patriots' titles were mostly about the D.

There are only 3 teams of the last 10 (by my count) to win it with offense being the much stronger side of the ball (Colts, Packers, and Saints).
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I think that's a bit generous, and even still, classic idioms of football dictate that should almost never happen -- much less a third of the time.

Some stats for you... Out of the last 10 Super Bowl champs:

- Only two teams that finished #1 in total defense have appeared in the Super Bowl (2002 Tampa and 2008 Pittsburgh -- both won)
- Three teams that finished #1 in total offense have appeared in the Super Bowl (2002 Oakland, 2007 New England and 2009 New Orleans -- New Orleans won).
- Of the 20 teams who have appeared in the last ten Super Bowls, they finish with a higher average offensive ranking in the league (9.75) than defensive ranking in the league (11.55)

And, just from my own personal eye test, having a stout defense is no longer the biggest key a team can give itself in order to try for a Super Bowl. That key is now an elite quarterback. Trent Dilfer, who wasn't a great QB but I could listen to all day (those who can't do teach, amirite?) said "There's no defense for the perfect pass." For the first time, we're seeing 3-4+ guys in the league who can have that kind of performance now, 30-40 times a game week in and week out.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Steelers
Steelers
Giants
Giants
Patriots
Patriots
Patriots

Would be the 7 that were more about the D.
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Counting 2002 season forward, so replace the last pats with the Bucs.

Also, WTH referring to this last Giants SB? Last year, they had the 6th worst defense and 8th best offense.
 
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milohimself said:
Also, WTH referring to this last Giants SB? Last year, they had the 6th worst defense and 8th best offense.
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True the offense got them to the playoffs, but the D took over in the playoffs. I don't care what the D did in the regular season. They never sniff the SB if the D doesn't turn it on for the playoffs. They held GB to 20, and the Pats to 17.

They had bad results with the D in the regular season in 2007, too.
 
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#3,544
Fair enough, but still, every other SB champ going back six years has been severely offense-oriented. The game has changed.
 
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milohimself said:
Fair enough, but still, every other SB champ going back six years has been severely offense-oriented. The game has changed.
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I would argue that most of the SB teams in the 90s had very good offense, too. What seems to be changing is the fact that SB teams today tend to have very dynamic passing games.
 
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chavisut said:
Give me a QB that can sling it and a good pass rush.
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This is exactly why I felt the Giants had as good of a chance as anyone.

It's also why I'm convinced the Colts beat the Saints if Freeney plays the last 3 quarters.
 
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#3,548
n_huffhines said:
I would argue that most of the SB teams in the 90s had very good offense, too. What seems to be changing is the fact that SB teams today tend to have very dynamic passing games.
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More specifically, this is the case. Nowadays, though, you can have an overall mediocre/bad defense and still stand a shot at a ring, as long as you have an elite QB.
 
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Il Principo said:
I've been trying to figure out how these receiving options around Luck will fit into Arians' offense, anyone have any insight there? I'm not too familiar with what the Steelers had been running, I've read that it's heavy on bunch formations.
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I'm not sure but I think the TEs will be used heavily and maybe they use Hilton kinda like they used Wallace to where they go deep to him a few times a game.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I'm not sure but I think the TEs will be used heavily and maybe they use Hilton kinda like they used Wallace to where they go deep to him a few times a game.
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That's kinda what I was thinking as well, thanks. I've been looking into it and the thing that Steelers fans seemed to hate about Arians was the formation broadcast whether the play was a run or a pass. That worries me, but on the other hand they did put up some good numbers while he was there.
 
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