The Official Denver Broncos Thread

[volfanbill]

:thud:

I think the best way to summarize the Broncos heading into the playoffs is that of the top teams, they are the team most capable of laying an egg in any given game.

The other teams are beatable, but you would be surprised to see the Patriots come out and play a terrible game. Same for Packers and Seahawks.

Denver is just as likely to show up and not be able to score as they are to put 40 in the board. It's a weird thing with that team. I don't like their chances of doing much. However, if they can avoid the Patriots, they have a path to the Super Bowl if they play well.

if you're counting the Broncos among the top teams, the Cardinals get counted too. I don't just think the Cardinals are capable of laying a goose egg, I expect them under their circumstances.

I also fully expect either the Cowboys or Lions to lay a goose egg. I'm just not sure which one. And the Cowboys are playing as well as anyone right now.

 

[Weezy]

Agreed. It's not the weather. It's the offensive line, and the pass rushers that determine the Broncos successes. Sure, you absolutely need Manning, but he's not the one that typically disappears (although he has at times). Von Miller just outright disappears for games, and then wrecks games for others. The offensive line is just flaky.

 

[YankeeVol]

Guessing

@ Patriots 2003 - lifetime ago
@ Patriots 2004 - lifetime ago
Ravens 2012 - he put up 35 in regulation against a stalwart D
Seahawks 2013 - not a good game, but probably the best offensive Bronco that day

I think the weather thing is played up too much. It's less about the weather and more about other factors. The weather had nothing to do with how much pressure Seattle put on Manning and how many times the Broncos fumbled.

No idea. ESPN posted it on Facebook

 

[volfanbill]

Guessing

@ Patriots 2003 - lifetime ago
@ Patriots 2004 - lifetime ago
Ravens 2012 - he put up 35 in regulation against a stalwart D
Seahawks 2013 - not a good game, but probably the best offensive Bronco that day

I think the weather thing is played up too much. It's less about the weather and more about other factors. The weather had nothing to do with how much pressure Seattle put on Manning and how many times the Broncos fumbled.

he also threw two INTs, one being a pick 6, that day against Baltimore along with two fumbles (one lost). Flacco went absolutely off that game. (I'm not saying Flacco's stats are a knock against Peyton, I'm just pointing it out)

 

[n_huffhines]

he also threw two INTs, one being a pick 6, that day against Baltimore along with two fumbles (one lost). Flacco went absolutely off that game. (I'm not saying Flacco's stats are a knock against Peyton, I'm just pointing it out)

Yeah, but he threw 50 times. You'd expect a pick against a great D with that many attempts. Manning's arm was dead by OT, when he threw the 2nd pick. His D is to blame for not winning in regulation.

The one game I thought weather was clearly a factor was last year, regular season, at New England. Manning just couldn't throw into 30 mph wind.

 

[volfanbill]

Yeah, but he threw 50 times. You'd expect a pick against a great D with that many attempts. Manning's arm was dead by OT, when he threw the 2nd pick. His D is to blame for not winning in regulation.

The one game I thought weather was clearly a factor was last year, regular season, at New England. Manning just couldn't throw into 30 mph wind.

Lol. He didn't play nearly as great as you want to pretend. One of the best running games in any Peyton Manning played game ever.

 

[volfanbill]

And after Moreno got hurt, Manning got flustered. He couldn't read the blitz and he couldn't find his receivers.

Of course, the bomb from Flacco is the defining moment of the game. Manning didn't just not have anything left in OT, he was lost midway through the fourth quarter.

 

[n_huffhines]

Lol. He didn't play nearly as great as you want to pretend. One of the best running games in any Peyton Manning played game ever.

Dude, he made one mistake in an otherwise great regulation. He was 23/36 (64%) for 261 yards, with 3 TDs and 1 INT in 4 quarters against an elite D in bad weather.

I'm saying he played well enough to deserve a W. There are other factors at play (like a BS last-second, hail mary). If you want to put the entire L on Manning in this discussion about his play in bad weather, I can't agree with that.

 

[BenGrimm]

Guessing

@ Patriots 2003 - lifetime ago
@ Patriots 2004 - lifetime ago
Ravens 2012 - he put up 35 in regulation against a stalwart D
Seahawks 2013 - not a good game, but probably the best offensive Bronco that day

I think the weather thing is played up too much. It's less about the weather and more about other factors. The weather had nothing to do with how much pressure Seattle put on Manning and how many times the Broncos fumbled.

There was that 41-0 Jets loss. Can't remember the year. I feel like that game was in the snow. I could be wrong though.

That was the only time Manning has had a truly awful playoff loss.

 

[n_huffhines]

There was that 41-0 Jets loss. Can't remember the year. I feel like that game was in the snow. I could be wrong though.

That was the only time Manning has had a truly awful playoff loss.

Update: 2002, cold weather, but I don't recall it snowing. Not sure.

Gosh, I messed that post up like 4 times :furious3:

 

[volfanbill]

Dude, he made one mistake in an otherwise great regulation. He was 23/36 (64%) for 261 yards, with 3 TDs and 1 INT in 4 quarters against an elite D in bad weather.

I'm saying he played well enough to deserve a W. There are other factors at play (like a BS last-second, hail mary). If you want to put the entire L on Manning in this discussion about his play in bad weather, I can't agree with that.

Dude, he did not have a good second half. His overall game was average at best. Just keep ignoring his fumbles. Or the pick six. Or how under duress he was from getting fooled time and time again by the Ravens blitzers. I've already described how the Ravens played. The only player on the Broncos that played well enough to deserve a W was Holliday.

 

[n_huffhines]

Dude, he did not have a good second half. His overall game was average at best. Just keep ignoring his fumbles. Or the pick six. Or how under duress he was from getting fooled time and time again by the Ravens blitzers. I've already described how the Ravens played. The only player on the Broncos that played well enough to deserve a W was Holliday.

The problem with just pulling crap out of your *** is that you can be proven wrong.

Manning was 9/13 in the 2nd half with 1 TD, no INTs, and a 4th quarter go-ahead TD drive....despite being sacked 3 times and no Moreno (injured).

Broncos were incapable of holding the lead because they couldn't run out the clock, and the D didn't know safeties are supposed to play deep when there is no time left.

It's weird that there are opportunities to defend Manning from false arguments on this site.

 

[volfanbill]

The problem with just pulling crap out of your *** is that you can be proven wrong.

Manning was 9/13 in the 2nd half with 1 TD, no INTs, and a 4th quarter go-ahead TD drive....despite being sacked 3 times and no Moreno (injured).

Broncos were incapable of holding the lead because they couldn't run out the clock, and the D didn't know safeties are supposed to play deep when there is no time left.

It's weird that there are opportunities to defend Manning from false arguments on this site.

Those aren't impressive #s. Oh, and again forgetting the fumble huh? The one TD drive was the only offense the Broncos managed the whole second half. But keep kidding yourself.

 

[volfanbill]

177 total yards after halftime, counting the overtimes. One fumble that resulted in points for Baltimore and one game deciding interception. 3 punts. 3 drives that didn't manage 15 yards. and I'm being nice and not counting the kneel as a drive.

 

[n_huffhines]

177 total yards after halftime, counting the overtimes. One fumble that resulted in points for Baltimore and one game deciding interception. 3 punts. 3 drives that didn't manage 15 yards. and I'm being nice and not counting the kneel as a drive.

Just keep changing the framework of the argument and you're never wrong. Well played.

IIRC, the fumble was from a sack. That's on the OL, unless Manning was completely careless. Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm right, you've demonstrated consistent disregard for fairness in your assessment of the game.

 

[volfanbill]

Just keep changing the framework of the argument and you're never wrong. Well played.

I never changed anything, Dude. Peyton didn't have a good second half. At all. Nor did he have a good overtime. You can not deny it. Well played by making crap about me making crap up though. Too bad they record stats huh? Kind of shat all over your theory of me making stuff up.

Edit Oh my word. Quarterbacks are no longer at least partially responsible for sacks and the fumbles that may or may not happen as a result of them? WOW. you're insane.

 

[n_huffhines]

LMAO

It was a tuck fumble, like Brady's but Manning was getting hit while in the throwing motion. The call should have been incomplete pass. There is no way any fair observer would blame Manning for this result.

BTW, Flacco lost a fumble in the second half, and somehow managed to win!

Divisional Playoff Highlights: Ravens vs Broncos

 

[n_huffhines]

You have no credibility, dude.

The conversation was about 2nd half, and your argument fell apart, so you started talking OT. I started the conversation conceding OT was not good, and it should have never reached that point. You're only fooling yourself by arguing points I conceded.

 

[volfanbill]

LMAO

It was a tuck fumble, like Brady's but Manning was getting hit while in the throwing motion. The call should have been incomplete pass. There is no way any fair observer would blame Manning for this result.

BTW, Flacco lost a fumble in the second half, and somehow managed to win!

Divisional Playoff Highlights: Ravens vs Broncos

So it was a fumble? Huh. How bout that

 

[n_huffhines]

So it was a fumble? Huh. How bout that

You blame Manning for the fumble?

 

[volfanbill]

You have no credibility, dude.

The conversation was about 2nd half, and your argument fell apart, so you started talking OT. I started the conversation conceding OT was not good, and it should have never reached that point. You're only fooling yourself by arguing points I conceded.

Lol dude. Keep throwing crap to make your worthless argument not stick anymore. I stated he was worthless after the first half. He was. Guess what? OT comes after the half. He was still worthless in the second half too. I gave you all stats after halftime. He had one meaningful drive in an entire half of football. One. Want me to take away the OT stats? It looks even worse for Peyton that way.

 

[volfanbill]

You blame Manning for the fumble?

He's bringing the ball down. Unless you want to try and tell me he was going to go for an intentional grounding penalty. All he had to do was get rid of it sooner. The blitz was coming from the gut and he tried to avoid it by moving up in the pocket? Are you serious right now?

 

[n_huffhines]

Lol dude. Keep throwing crap to make your worthless argument not stick anymore. I stated he was worthless after the first half. He was. Guess what? OT comes after the half. He was still worthless in the second half too. I gave you all stats after halftime. He had one meaningful drive in an entire half of football. One. Want me to take away the OT stats? It looks even worse for Peyton that way.

Nope. It's like you don't even know what the conversation is about. What about the 2nd half performance by Manning leads you to believe he can't play in cold weather? That's what we're arguing here, but you probably forgot with your rabbit-hole tangents.

They couldn't protect him. He went 9/13 with 1 TD 0 INTs, and 1 fumble that he gets partial blame for.

What about that 2nd half confirms that Manning can't perform well in cold weather? I repeat, since you can't remember the original context...that's what we're arguing.

Dude, he did not have a good second half. His overall game was average at best. Just keep ignoring his fumbles. Or the pick six. Or how under duress he was from getting fooled time and time again by the Ravens blitzers. I've already described how the Ravens played. The only player on the Broncos that played well enough to deserve a W was Holliday.

 

[volfanbill]

Nope. It's like you don't even know what the conversation is about. What about the 2nd half performance by Manning leads you to believe he can't play in cold weather? That's what we're arguing here, but you probably forgot with your rabbit-hole tangents.

They couldn't protect him. He went 9/13 with 1 TD 0 INTs, and 1 fumble that he gets partial blame for.

What about that 2nd half confirms that Manning can't perform well in cold weather? I repeat, since you can't remember the original context...that's what we're arguing.

I haven't made one statement about the weather. All I've ever discussed was this game. You acted like he played a great game. He didn't. 3 turnovers, another fumble and nothing in the second half. Who's restructuring our conversation now? You've now managed to talk yourself into losing all the arguments you're having all by yourself. That's impressive. I repeat, that's impressive. Dude.

 

[n_huffhines]

I haven't made one statement about the weather. All I've ever discussed was this game. You acted like he played a great game. He didn't. 3 turnovers, another fumble and nothing in the second half. Who's restructuring our conversation now? You've now managed to talk yourself into losing all the arguments you're having all by yourself. That's impressive. I repeat, that's impressive. Dude.

Well, there it is. You never knew what the conversation was about in the first place