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#702
#702
Manning choked. I honestly can not believe the Broncos are going to lose to the Bungles. Sad. I seriously think Peyton needs to think about retirement.
 
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#703
#703
BigOrangeTrain said:
Manning choked. I honestly can not believe the Broncos are going to lose to the Bungles. Sad. I seriously think Peyton needs to think about retirement.
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Eli throws 3 interceptions in almost every game. Should he retire also? He's still a top 5 qb in the league, and he's not playing his best football. No need to retire yet.
 
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#705
#705
BigOrangeTrain said:
Manning choked. I honestly can not believe the Broncos are going to lose to the Bungles. Sad. I seriously think Peyton needs to think about retirement.
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I realize they've made the effort not to make an issue of it but Peyton doesn't look "right" to me. The INT by Jones just looked like a case of "He didn't see him." that happens sometimes. Bad throw. And to some extent the numbers don't look that bad...he completed 63.6% of his passes for 311 yards. But you can tell they don't really want him to have to throw. Going back over the last 4 games before tonight his biggest output was 257y against the Dolphins. IDK, maybe the weather played a factor...all I know is that lately some of his throws just don't look like what I'd expect from him.

Still, let's not get carried away. We are after all still talking about the guy with the #3 passer rating in the league.
 
#706
#706
hndog609 said:
I realize they've made the effort not to make an issue of it but Peyton doesn't look "right" to me. The INT by Jones just looked like a case of "He didn't see him." that happens sometimes. Bad throw. And to some extent the numbers don't look that bad...he completed 63.6% of his passes for 311 yards. But you can tell they don't really want him to have to throw. Going back over the last 4 games before tonight his biggest output was 257y against the Dolphins. IDK, maybe the weather played a factor...all I know is that lately some of his throws just don't look like what I'd expect from him.

Still, let's not get carried away. We are after all still talking about the guy with the #3 passer rating in the league.
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It's mentioned every time the Broncos are brought up. Not sure how they are making an effort not to make an issue out of it.
 
#707
#707
BigOrangeTrain said:
Manning choked. I honestly can not believe the Broncos are going to lose to the Bungles. Sad. I seriously think Peyton needs to think about retirement.
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Bangles aren't a bad team.

I do agree that the Broncos haven't looked very imposing in over a month. They could flip a playoff switch but I don't see them going to Foxboro and winning.
 
#708
#708
volfanbill said:
It's mentioned every time the Broncos are brought up. Not sure how they are making an effort not to make an issue out of it.
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Sorry for being ambiguous...I meant Peyton or the Broncos. In the general sense it's been brought up often by people making similar observations to mine. Peyton is "supposedly" fine...he just doesn't really seem to always look that way of late.
 
#709
#709
hndog609 said:
Sorry for being ambiguous...I meant Peyton or the Broncos. In the general sense it's been brought up often by people making similar observations to mine. Peyton is "supposedly" fine...he just doesn't really seem to always look that way of late.
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Everywhere I read it's how Peyton isn't fine. How he's not throwing the deep ball and his passes aren't crisp. Everyone seems to know that age and surgery has taken it's toll on him. The Broncos are just like, "Well, we cut Tebow so it's our only option right now."
 
#710
#710
volfanbill said:
Everywhere I read it's how Peyton isn't fine. How he's not throwing the deep ball and his passes aren't crisp. Everyone seems to know that age and surgery has taken it's toll on him. The Broncos are just like, "Well, we cut Tebow so it's our only option right now."
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Yep. Obviously Manning isn't the type to make excuses and I haven't personally run across anything linked to the Broncos stating anything is wrong (other than him being sick recently) but there's no shortage of people where the "eye test" just doesn't look right over the last several weeks.
 
#711
#711
hndog609 said:
Yep. Obviously Manning isn't the type to make excuses and I haven't personally run across anything linked to the Broncos stating anything is wrong (other than him being sick recently) but there's no shortage of people where the "eye test" just doesn't look right over the last several weeks.
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There's nothing good to come out of the Broncos announcing that Peyton has lost velocity and arm strength, so why would they formally do it?
 
#712
#712
volfanbill said:
There's nothing good to come out of the Broncos announcing that Peyton has lost velocity and arm strength, so why would they formally do it?
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Wasn't positing they should...just stating that (and apparently you agree) regardless of whatever isn't being said, or even outright denied, by Manning/Broncos Peyton just doesn't look "right" in recent weeks.
 
#713
#713
hndog609 said:
Wasn't positing they should...just stating that (and apparently you agree) regardless of whatever isn't being said, or even outright denied, by Manning/Broncos Peyton just doesn't look "right" in recent weeks.
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I don't think he's looked right all year. He still knows how to work the ball though so he can still put up numbers. Teams have figured it out though and are defending it better now. That's making his throwing issues more apparent imo. The Broncos are "admitting it" with their change of play offensively.
 
#714
#714
volfanbill said:
I don't think he's looked right all year. He still knows how to work the ball though so he can still put up numbers. Teams have figured it out though and are defending it better now. That's making his throwing issues more apparent imo. The Broncos are "admitting it" with their change of play offensively.
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Yeah, there's something to be said for that observation.
 
#717
#717
Yankee_Vol said:
Peyton now has more INTs than Eli
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Interesting stat. I've always felt total INTs as a stat was grossly misleading, however. Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Andrew Luck and Phillip Rivers are all in the top ten for interceptions thrown.
 
#718
#718
Manning's arm is toast. It's both completely saddening, but simultaneously a testament to his greatness as a QB. He has easily the worst arm I've ever seen, and he's still a top 5 QB in the league. How is that possible?
 
#720
#720
n_huffhines said:
Manning's arm is toast. It's both completely saddening, but simultaneously a testament to his greatness as a QB. He has easily the worst arm I've ever seen, and he's still a top 5 QB in the league. How is that possible?
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Agreed. I don't think you can reasonably believe that Manning can win you a championship by himself. He just struggles to make big throws without a clean pocket.

But the thing is, the defense and running game is better this year. And everyone is healthy. If the defense manages to not disappear in the big games, the Broncos can win it. Von Miller is the most important player here.
 
#721
#721
I think the best way to summarize the Broncos heading into the playoffs is that of the top teams, they are the team most capable of laying an egg in any given game.

The other teams are beatable, but you would be surprised to see the Patriots come out and play a terrible game. Same for Packers and Seahawks.

Denver is just as likely to show up and not be able to score as they are to put 40 in the board. It's a weird thing with that team. I don't like their chances of doing much. However, if they can avoid the Patriots, they have a path to the Super Bowl if they play well.
 
#722
#722
DyronNix said:
I think the best way to summarize the Broncos heading into the playoffs is that of the top teams, they are the team most capable of laying an egg in any given game.

The other teams are beatable, but you would be surprised to see the Patriots come out and play a terrible game. Same for Packers and Seahawks.

Denver is just as likely to show up and not be able to score as they are to put 40 in the board. It's a weird thing with that team. I don't like their chances of doing much. However, if they can avoid the Patriots, they have a path to the Super Bowl if they play well.
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I don't know if that's fair.

In their 3 losses after going to OT with Seattle the only game they truly struggled to score was vs the Rams. The Pats pulled pulled away quick but Denver still scored. They lead the Bangles in the fourth but couldn't close.

The Pats looked unbeatable for a a good 6 or 7 weeks but haven't been dominant since the Green Bay game. That said, they will be tough to beat at home (Buffalo doesn't count).
 
#725
#725
Yankee_Vol said:
Peyton Manning is 0-4 in playoff games below 40 degrees.
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Guessing

@ Patriots 2003 - lifetime ago
@ Patriots 2004 - lifetime ago
Ravens 2012 - he put up 35 in regulation against a stalwart D
Seahawks 2013 - not a good game, but probably the best offensive Bronco that day

I think the weather thing is played up too much. It's less about the weather and more about other factors. The weather had nothing to do with how much pressure Seattle put on Manning and how many times the Broncos fumbled.
 
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