The Official Dan Mullen Thread

[jakez4ut]

Mullen can't win big at MSU. Why?

MSU is a .300 record program in conference. the're a .500 record program overall. MSU is a bottom feeder. that's why.

Because he doesn't have the quality recruits. Why?

because even improving the recruiting up 15 spots nationally from previous regime's average, net's you less than a point in improvement in conference...see Bama, Auburn, LSU, FL, GA, TN, aTm's recruiting.

Because facilities suck. Why?

see answer #1 above. but they did just coplete a $75M renno of Davis Wade stadium a few years ago.

Because the BOT and AD and head coach do NOT make attempts to improve them. Why?

false statement. they are improving them. but they're still limited, resource wise; one of the issues Mullen has had in the past when trying to retain assistants.

Because they all are happy with mediocrity.

yes, because mediocrity as defined by us, is uber successful for a .500 program that has a .300 record in conference.

And this is the coach you want at UT?

no, not as THE 1st choice, but no one should be unhappy if we get this coach.

 

[jakez4ut]

Uh huh.

Nice deflection. And nice avoiding the answers.

Now why did Florida pass on him when Mac was hired?

foley doesn't like him.

 

[jakez4ut]

Probably because UFs AD was about as incompetent as ours when we turned down Cut and hired Derek Dooley.

Speaking of avoiding answering questions? So why didn’t Franklin win the SEC at Vandy? Answer it and you have the answer to your question as well. Or you can continue to be ignorant. Choice is yours. We all want Gruden, but quit pretending Mullen isn’t a good coach. It’s silly.

we didn't turn down cut.

 

[jakez4ut]

My only issue with Dan Mullen is he is a little to conservative at times in games . Other then that he can develope Quaterbacks like no one else And his teams play up to the completion every game

agree. and sadly, most coaches are when you get in to real situational football. that series they had with a tie ball game against bama last week, their last offensive possession, was not very good. at all.

 

[jakez4ut]

We're talking about the same AD that hired Urban Meyer, right?

And I've never said Mullen wasn't a good coach. I do think he's only marginally better than Jones.

Can anyone point to where I said Mullen is a bad coach?

so, we're to assume, then this is a smokescreen, for the guy you really want? hm.

 

[jakez4ut]

1. Winning at Vandy is harder than winning at Miss St. - Vandy has 8 bowl appearances compared to Miss St.’s 20. Vandy is an entire tier lower when it comes to bottom feeders in the history of bottom feeders.

2. It’s the Big 10.

So your comparison isn’t as strong as you think.

i think it actually makes the point even better considering what Franklin did in short order at Penn St, a program that a) has the resources to do what it wants to do and b) was coming off the sandusky stuff.

 

[Grand Vol]

so, we're to assume, then this is a smokescreen, for the guy you really want? hm.

You can assume all you want. But Mullen has not ever proven himself to be worth the money it's going to take to get him to UT.

We'd be trading a great recruiter, but horrible in game coach for a horrible recruiter, but decent in game coach.

 

[jakez4ut]

You can assume all you want. But Mullen has not ever proven himself to be worth the money it's going to take to get him to UT.

We'd be trading a great recruiter, but horrible in game coach for a horrible recruiter, but decent in game coach.

i just showed you what he's done to the recruiting, nationally, at MSU.

now, that you just don't care that it's MSU, doesn't change the fact that MSU just doesn't compare in a recurit's mind when he's being courted by LSU, Bama, Auburn, GA, TN, FL, aTm etc, etc, etc..... heck was MSU even on Cam Aker's list?

you ever think there's a reason, other than Butch Jones being some resident expert recruiter, that Butch Jones was able to recruit, so well, so early to UTK??

i mean, he didn't pull top 10 classes at Cincy or WMU.....did he? ........is all i'm saying....

 

[QuickSmurf]

Since it's been a while...

1. He doesn't recruit, has not turned on field success into recruiting and does not seem willing to try to recruit
2. He makes no attempt to improve the facilities at Moo State
3. Is barely above Jones in SEC record. Don't care if it's in the West either because they have had some ****ty teams as well
4. Is perfectly content and the fan base, AD and boosters are perfectly content to let him earn his $4.5 million a year getting 6-8 wins and the Egg Bowl trophy every once in a while
5. Combine the above and he is not worth the money it's going to take to get him out of Starkville

But wait! There's more!

Special offer! If you call now, you also get "other teams have passed on him in the past. Probably for very good reasons. Why should UT take that chance?"

MSU is the Vandy of the west. You're full of ****.

 

[QuickSmurf]

What's Jon Gruden's record in the SEC? What's his highest recruited player? How many kids had he developed into all SEC QB's? 😂

 

[Voluntarist]

You can assume all you want. But Mullen has not ever proven himself to be worth the money it's going to take to get him to UT.

We'd be trading a great recruiter, but horrible in game coach for a horrible recruiter, but decent in game coach.

This.

A homerun, explosive hire doesn’t mean an equal trade-off. Currie would never do this to himself or our program. Anyone who wants Mullen has forgotten, or never knew, what being successful at Tennessee means or looks like. Mullen should not be a Top 5 candidate or even 10.

 

[jakez4ut]

This.

A homerun, explosive hire doesn’t mean an equal trade-off. Currie would never do this to himself or our program. Anyone who wants Mullen has forgotten, or never knew, what being successful at Tennessee means or looks like. Mullen should not be a Top 5 candidate or even 10.

yeah, it'd suck to have a guy that could walk in to a recruits house with two national title rings, talk about his heisman winning qb, his #1 draft pick qb, and his NFL ROY qb. and Nick Fitzgerald.... oh, and btw, let's take a walk around the anderson training center. and Neyland Stadium.

that'd suck, and sure set the program back 15 years.

 

[QuickSmurf]

This.

A homerun, explosive hire doesn’t mean an equal trade-off. Currie would never do this to himself or our program. Anyone who wants Mullen has forgotten, or never knew, what being successful at Tennessee means or looks like. Mullen should not be a Top 5 candidate or even 10.

I would argue that anyone saying such things about Mullen doesn't know a damn thing about football.

 

[QuickSmurf]

yeah, it'd suck to have a guy that could walk in to a recruits house with two national title rings, talk about his heisman winning qb, his #1 draft pick qb, and his NFL ROY qb. and Nick Fitzgerald.... oh, and btw, let's take a walk around the anderson training center. and Neyland Stadium.

that'd suck, and sure set the program back 15 years.

Boom

 

[jakez4ut]

i'll give them this, at least they're being honest about just ignoring what the context of being at MSU actually is.

 

[Voluntarist]

I would argue that anyone saying such things about Mullen doesn't know a damn thing about football.

I would argue that anyone who would stoop to this level of mediocrity after years of turmoil doesn’t know Tennessee Football.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

It’s Missisppi State. Lol. Why was Franklin never able to win the SEC at Vandy but was able to win the Big 10 with Penn State? Hmmmm

If MSU is such a tough job like you say it is, why has Mullen yet to leave?

Seems to me he enjoys getting raises & extensions for getting average results.

 

[jakez4ut]

I would argue that anyone who would stoop to this level of mediocrity after years of turmoil doesn’t know Tennessee Football.

lol.

what exactly did Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley or Butch Jones have on their resume, even at the time they were hired, over what Dan Mullen already had on his resume?

you're right about one thing...Tennessee Football has done more to hurt Tennessee Football than anything that could be done by hiring Dan Mullen this time around.

 

[jakez4ut]

If MSU is such a tough job like you say it is, why has Mullen yet to leave?

Seems to me he enjoys getting raises & extensions for getting average results.

yep. and that's the biggest consideration in regards to Mullen imo. the resume is not the issue. it's his level of 'want to'. and i don't see him jumping ship just for the money. we'll offer the money if we want him.

he's got a great situation down there. it's the best situation in the SEC imo, all things considered. but again, that solely depends on if he's happy with the status quo down there, or does he want to move on to a place that he could realistically compete at a championship level again.

if he does, then this could be a great fit. if he doesn't, then we'll never see him coach here.

 

[TitanicVolz]

in 2012 Mississippi State had a 7–0 record, and a number 13 ranking, entering a game vs number 1, undefeated Alabama. MSU lost, 38–7, and lost two more, to number 16 Texas A&M and number 9 LSU. MSU defeated Arkansas, and was looking for a fourth straight win over Ole Miss, who was 5–6 going into the game, similar to MSU the year before. The Bulldogs lost, 41–24, and then lost to Northwestern, 34–20, in the Gator Bowl to finish 8–5......


2013 season against number 13 Oklahoma State, losing, 21–3. They defeated Alcorn State, but lost to Auburn, 24–20. (They defeated Troy, Kentucky, and Bowling Green, and lost to LSU, South Carolina, Texas A&M, and Alabama---does this remind you of anyone Butch Jones maybe)to drop to 4–6, traveling to Little Rock, Arkansas, to battle Arkansas. MSU won, 24–17, in overtime, and was 5–6 entering the Ole Miss game.


On December 26, 2016, Mullen made SEC history when he became the first football coach in conference history to win a bowl game and still finish with a losing record on the season; Mississippi State finished the season with a 6–7 mark.[9]


THIS IS THE GUY YOU ALL WANT😂😂😂😂😂C'mon man aim higher.He did have a decent season on 2014 but I'm just trying to point sum facts out.

 

[HuntsVol_AL]

yeah, it'd suck to have a guy that could walk in to a recruits house with two national title rings, talk about his heisman winning qb, his #1 draft pick qb, and his NFL ROY qb. and Nick Fitzgerald.... oh, and btw, let's take a walk around the anderson training center. and Neyland Stadium.

that'd suck, and sure set the program back 15 years.

To be fair, he can already recruit with most of those credentials... It's not like he's bringing in top 10 classes.

 

[jakez4ut]

To be fair, he can already recruit with most of those credentials... It's not like he's bringing in top 10 classes.

didn't say he was, and in fact showed what his recruiting is/has been at MSU, as compared to what it was the 3 years prior to his arrival in Starkville.

my ponit was that you combine the two.....his credential + the UT brand/resource/facilities....

the whole point about any part of this dicussion is about what limitations MSU brings to the table.

 

[mitzustu]

I’ve read a lot of Mullen/Patterson comparison. Question. On average what age would you say coaches retire? Patterson is 57. Mullen is 45. That’s significant IMO if we are looking for a long term hire.

 

[jakez4ut]

I’ve read a lot of Mullen/Patterson comparison. Question. On average what age would you say coaches retire? Patterson is 57. Mullen is 45. That’s significant IMO if we are looking for a long term hire.

agree, but Patterson probably has 10+ years left. Mullen...if he's successfull could have a run like Fulmer.

i think the age issue only comes up for guys that are in the group of Miles, Brown, Cut etc....but we're not supposed to talk about that, so keep it on the low low.lol:

 

[QuickSmurf]

I would argue that anyone who would stoop to this level of mediocrity after years of turmoil doesn’t know Tennessee Football.

You probably think James Franklin's record at VU shows that he is mediocre. MSU plays in the much better SEC West. The West has been the best the whole time that Dan has been at MSU. The guy can coach and develop.

I enjoy watching the chess matches in college football. The coaching developing of player's. Mullen would be a homerun hire.