The Official Dan Mullen Thread

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SmokeMSJ said:
Someone told me Mike Griffith was giving Jimmy Hyams a foot rub over here in this thread, while Justin Beiber played in the background...
I had to see it with my own eyes..
They weren’t lying...
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while i competely disagree with the tenor of your post, i do find it original and humorous. you get a like for creativity.:eek:lol:
 
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rockydoc said:
......this is the season that agents get their clients big raises and extensions of contracts.
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agreed, it's hard to sift thru the BS and determine what's what. tread lightly with what you believe. another consideration, is there is no better way to get clicks for your website than to start using twitter as a source when naming "persons of interest" for open, or soon to be open jobs. motives should be questioned everywhere

Wouldn't suprise me to even hear Saban was unhappy living in Tuscaloosa. Remember the one of Butch to the wolverines? Lol, cost us a few million.
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lol, i don't think saban could pull that off at this point...but to your point, yes. and there are guys that fall in that category this go round.

Be patient, within the next 2-3 weeks UT will have a press conference and announce the next coach, who is unlikely to be Gruden, Peterson, Mullen or Patterson.
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i'll be a little surprised if it makes it past next Sunday or Monday.
 
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CAVPUT said:
I agree with you about Gruden and Patterson. If I had to put money on this, I think we get Norvell or Brohm when the dust settles. Having said that I've been going back reading interviews and watching YouTube of Peterson. At times, he seems a bit....for lack of a better word...off and scripted almost like he doesn't enjoy the job. Maybe it's wishful thinking and seeing things that aren't there, but for some reason I think he might make a move. Doubt it will be to Knoxville, but stranger things have happened.

Hell, there's no telling who we trot out for the presser. Fuente, Frost, Campbell, Sciano....no end of names. Finding one willing to jump the shark with this job likely will prove to be tougher than the mopes here want to believe. Pretty sure we will have to overpay to fill the job tho.
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if that's what happens, things didn't go to plan. and the one thing i do believe, Currie has more control over the situation than either of the last to yahoos.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
If you are UT, going 32-38 in the East is a disgrace. If you are MSU, a traditional SEC bottom feeder, going 32-38 in the loaded SEC West is actually an accomplishment.
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What so many fail to understand. People just won’t accept how it’s almost impossible to win big at MSU regardless of coach.
 
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UTK said:
What so many fail to understand. People just won’t accept how it’s almost impossible to win big at MSU regardless of coach.
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And why is that?

Something not a damn one of you Mullen humpers will ever answer to any satisfaction.
 
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Since it's been a while...

1. He doesn't recruit, has not turned on field success into recruiting and does not seem willing to try to recruit
2. He makes no attempt to improve the facilities at Moo State
3. Is barely above Jones in SEC record. Don't care if it's in the West either because they have had some ****ty teams as well
4. Is perfectly content and the fan base, AD and boosters are perfectly content to let him earn his $4.5 million a year getting 6-8 wins and the Egg Bowl trophy every once in a while
5. Combine the above and he is not worth the money it's going to take to get him out of Starkville

But wait! There's more!

Special offer! If you call now, you also get "other teams have passed on him in the past. Probably for very good reasons. Why should UT take that chance?"
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Just as a reminder, when Nick Saban was Dan Mullen's current age, he was at 12-11-1 at Michigan State. Saban didn't win his first national title till age 52, after taking the job at LSU, where he had more resources and a much better recruiting footprint than at Michigan State.

This idea that Dan Mullen would be a mediocre hire is rubbish. He's by far the most successful coach in modern Mississippi State history. So many people here at VN are dramatically underestimating how much of a disadvantage Dan Mullen is competing with at Miss State versus teams like Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, and Auburn. He's 23 - 23 over the past 6 seasons in the SEC West competing against teams with vastly better resources. That's a better conference record than James Franklin had against much tougher competition in the SEC West.

He turned Alex Smith into a top NFL prospect, Tim Tebow into a national championship QB at Florida, made Dak Prescott elite, and this season he's 7-3 with a 2-star QB in Nick Fitzgerald. The dude knows how to coach up QBs! Imagine what he could do with former 5-star and #1 ranked Dual Threat QB Jarrett Guarantano!

With Tennessee's resources, Mullen could achieve more than he has at Miss State.
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Agree 100%. Mullen could be the next big time coach in CFB.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And why is that?

Something not a damn one of you Mullen humpers will ever answer to any satisfaction.
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Actually it's been answered in every pro-Mullen and anti-Mullen thread that has been started. Whether you agree with those answers is likely determined by whether or not you want Mullen or don't want Mullen. Same with the discussions in every thread that has been started about any candidate. Whether we agree or not is determined by how we already perceived a particular coach.

You don't think Mullen can be successful here and I get it. No one knows how he will do if he were to come to UT, but the same is true of every coach who has been mentioned, including Gruden.

Whoever gets hired, a large section of the fanbase will be ecstatic while another large section of the fanbase will be convinced the program is doomed.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Actually it's been answered in every pro-Mullen and anti-Mullen thread that has been started. Whether you agree with those answers is likely determined by whether or not you want Mullen or don't want Mullen. Same with the discussions in every thread that has been started about any candidate. Whether we agree or not is determined by how we already perceived a particular coach.

You don't think Mullen can be successful here and I get it. No one knows how he will do if he were to come to UT, but the same is true of every coach who has been mentioned, including Gruden.

Whoever gets hired, a large section of the fanbase will be ecstatic while another large section of the fanbase will be convinced the program is doomed.
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Don't deflect away from Mullen and into Gruden.

The man has not proven himself capable of playing at the highest levels (see my numbered post above) and is NOT worth the pay raise and buyout it's going to take to get him here. This is simple...

Mullen can't win big at MSU. Why?

Because he doesn't have the quality recruits. Why?

Because facilities suck. Why?

Because the BOT and AD and head coach do NOT make attempts to improve them. Why?

Because they all are happy with mediocrity.

And this is the coach you want at UT?
 
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Grand Vol said:
And why is that?

Something not a damn one of you Mullen humpers will ever answer to any satisfaction.
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Because they dont have an enormous athletic budget and their facilities are laughable compared to ours.


I wonder if Penn State fans are glad they didnt pass on Franklin because he was ONLY 39-24 at Vandy.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And why is that?

Something not a damn one of you Mullen humpers will ever answer to any satisfaction.
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It’s Missisppi State. Lol. Why was Franklin never able to win the SEC at Vandy but was able to win the Big 10 with Penn State? Hmmmm
 
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UTK said:
It’s Missisppi State. Lol. Why was Franklin never able to win the SEC at Vandy but was able to win the Big 10 with Penn State? Hmmmm
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Uh huh.

Nice deflection. And nice avoiding the answers.

Now why did Florida pass on him when Mac was hired?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Don't deflect away from Mullen and into Gruden.

The man has not proven himself capable of playing at the highest levels (see my numbered post above) and is NOT worth the pay raise and buyout it's going to take to get him here. This is simple...

Mullen can't win big at MSU. Why?

Because he doesn't have the quality recruits. Why?

Because facilities suck. Why?

Because the BOT and AD and head coach do NOT make attempts to improve them. Why?

Because they all are happy with mediocrity.

And this is the coach you want at UT?
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For the umpteenth time, yes.

And it is not a deflection to say that there are no guarantees that any coach will be successful here.

And MSU has been upgrading facilities. They recently spent $100m on upgrades, but the bulk of it went to upgrading the seating size in the stadium, which was smaller than Vandy's. $25m went towards upgrading the MSU football complex, but their facilities are still way behind the big boys in the SEC, and unfortunately for MSU, right now the big boys in the SEC are mostly in the West with MSU.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Uh huh.

Nice deflection. And nice avoiding the answers.

Now why did Florida pass on him when Mac was hired?
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Probably because UFs AD was about as incompetent as ours when we turned down Cut and hired Derek Dooley.

Speaking of avoiding answering questions? So why didn’t Franklin win the SEC at Vandy? Answer it and you have the answer to your question as well. Or you can continue to be ignorant. Choice is yours. We all want Gruden, but quit pretending Mullen isn’t a good coach. It’s silly.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Uh huh.

Nice deflection. And nice avoiding the answers.

Now why did Florida pass on him when Mac was hired?
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Why does it matter? Maybe they though McElwain was a better coach, im sure they would tell you they were wrong. Just like we passed on Patterson for Kiffin, does that mean Kiffins a better coach?
 
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My only issue with Dan Mullen is he is a little to conservative at times in games . Other then that he can develope Quaterbacks like no one else And his teams play up to the completion every game
 
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UTK said:
Probably because UFs AD was about as incompetent as ours when we turned down Cut and hired Derek Dooley.

Speaking of avoiding answering questions? So why didn’t Franklin win the SEC at Vandy? Answer it and you have the answer to your question as well. Or you can continue to be ignorant. Choice is yours. We all want Gruden, but quit pretending Mullen isn’t a good coach. It’s silly.
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We're talking about the same AD that hired Urban Meyer, right?

And I've never said Mullen wasn't a good coach. I do think he's only marginally better than Jones.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Since it's been a while...

1. He doesn't recruit, has not turned on field success into recruiting and does not seem willing to try to recruit
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not true, he's improved the average recruiting rankings nationally 15 spots. in the 3 years prior to DM's arrival, MSU averaged 42nd nationally ranked class. since he's been there, he's improved that to 27th.
2. He makes no attempt to improve the facilities at Moo State
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also not true, it's one of the sticking points, along with not having the resources to hire the assistants he's wanted in the past. and they did do a fairly large addition to the stadium down there, completing the open end of the endzone that used to just lead to the field house....$75M project that i think took place in 2014.
3. Is barely above Jones in SEC record. Don't care if it's in the West either because they have had some ****ty teams as well
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at least you're honest about simply ignoring that it's in the West. doesn't change the fact that the west is simply harder than the East. and it's a lot harder at MSU.
4. Is perfectly content and the fan base, AD and boosters are perfectly content to let him earn his $4.5 million a year getting 6-8 wins and the Egg Bowl trophy every once in a while
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agree. his motiviations are something that have to be questioned. but the egg bowl, while not nationally relevant, is their biggest rivalry, and he has a winning record in it. i'd take that with any of our biggest rivals for once.
5. Combine the above and he is not worth the money it's going to take to get him out of Starkville
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it's going to cost what it costs. and it's just a difference of opinion. you think he's garbage, i don't. agree to disagree.

But wait! There's more!

Special offer! If you call now, you also get "other teams have passed on him in the past. Probably for very good reasons. Why should UT take that chance?"
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and that's something that the vetting process is going to have to determine. but is it really any more a risk than taking a guy that hasn't coached in college in 25+ years and wants $23M for him and staff? (i'd take gruden, regardless, but let's not make it out to be like we're getting a great deal financially, considering there are legit unknowns about him as well) i mean he needs $13M for staff BECAUSE of the limitations he has regarding college football, and its landscape.
 
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UTK said:
It’s Missisppi State. Lol. Why was Franklin never able to win the SEC at Vandy but was able to win the Big 10 with Penn State? Hmmmm
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1. Winning at Vandy is harder than winning at Miss St. - Vandy has 8 bowl appearances compared to Miss St.’s 20. Vandy is an entire tier lower when it comes to bottom feeders in the history of bottom feeders.

2. It’s the Big 10.

So your comparison isn’t as strong as you think.
 
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