The Official Dan Mullen Thread

#501
#501
Vol-a-Roo said:
I am sick of seeing people be so negative on these threads. Why is it so hard for anyone to believe that getting Gruden is a pipe dream? He was and would still be a great coach. I have two children that have grown up not knowing what it is like to support a winning Tennessee team, so they show very little interest in watching the games. I want them to know how it felt when we won the NC! I have full faith in the people involved making sure that they bring in a top tier coach that we all can support. This is a new era for the Vols and I believe that this is finally the turning point that we have been wishing for. I am a 100% Gruden believer, but even if it isn't him I don't see it being a "google my name coach." We are UT! We are relevant and I truly believe that we are a job that many top tier coaches want! We need to quit feeling sorry for ourselves because we will soon be the team we were in the 80's and 90's! Believe in the process and believe in our VOLS! Gruden to the Hill!!! Go VOLS!
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Gruden is a pipe dream......
I hope it comes true

But it is a pipe dream
 
#502
#502
vols1707 said:
I also look at Dan Mullen's VERY LIMITED success at Miss St like Butch Jones' back to back 9 win seasons.....

Looks good on paper

But we all know if he was a better coach it should have been so much better......

Mullen will load up on cupcakes to pad stats too
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let's not start comparing MSU's schedule to Rutgers'.

it won't end well for you.

has dan lost to teams that he should ahve beat? yeah. but he beats teams he shouldn't at a lot better pace.
 
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jakez4ut said:
let's not start comparing MSU's schedule to Rutgers'.

it won't end well for you.

has dan lost to teams that he should ahve beat? yeah. but he beats teams he shouldn't at a lot better pace.
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I'm just talking about paper stats vs reality between Dan Mullen & Butch Jones
 
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ah, i see, moving goalposts...defend...then deflect...then divert.

got it.

how 'bout this, i'll use the same premis on GS as some have on DM. he sucks, don't want.
 
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#508
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jakez4ut said:
and? either MS is as talent rich as you say it is...or it isn't.

so far, i have what i posted, and your statement that it is.

that's a tough choice.
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I don't know how many times I have to explain how star rankings work once you drop out of the top 150 players
 
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vols1707 said:
I don't know how many times I have to explain how star rankings work once you drop out of the top 150 players
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so, just so we're clear, the data we get to use for the puprose of this conversation, is just what you get to make up in your head.

it'll make what happens next a lot easier on the rest of us to clear that up.
 
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#510
vols1707 said:
Gruden is a pipe dream......
I hope it comes true

But it is a pipe dream
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I have to disagree! Volnation has become complacent in believing that we are not worthy of anything more than a mid tier coach! We have bowed to Ala, GA, and UF too long and bought into the belief that we are mediocre. We have everything in place to be great again. We just need to BELIEVE that we are GREAT again!
 
#511
#511
Lmao you guys send messages to Freak about the Gruden thread but come in here spouting nonsense? Lol there's no consistency on here. But hey as long as someone makes money who cares, amirite?
 
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jakez4ut said:
so, just so we're clear, the data we get to use for the puprose of this conversation, is just what you get to make up in your head.

it'll make what happens next a lot easier on the rest of us to clear that up.
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No it's based on actually how recruiting rankings work.

It's based on talent, religion you play in, the number of camps you go to, are you played in your right position in high school, if your not how do you based on a guess what your college position how would you in a few people's mind do at your college position. Do you have exposure to get noticed, how big is your high school
Places like Mississippi poor and rual players get overlooked a ton too
 
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Vol-a-Roo said:
I have to disagree! Volnation has become complacent in believing that we are not worthy of anything more than a mid tier coach! We have bowed to Ala, GA, and UF too long and bought into the belief that we are mediocre. We have everything in place to be great again. We just need to BELIEVE that we are GREAT again!
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Volnation complacency isn't the problem. The obsession with a fired NFL coach who hasn't coached in 9 years is the problem.
 
#514
#514
Jon Gruden has literally not coached any kind of football game in year's but yeah he's good enough to beat Saban? 😂Good grief man what his record against the SEC? 😂✌Too crazy here for me.
 
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Vol-a-Roo said:
I have to disagree! Volnation has become complacent in believing that we are not worthy of anything more than a mid tier coach! We have bowed to Ala, GA, and UF too long and bought into the belief that we are mediocre. We have everything in place to be great again. We just need to BELIEVE that we are GREAT again!
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Oh I believe brother......

Just concerned on Gruden's actual level of true interest in going back into coaching.... or is this just another attention seeking from Gruden
 
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vols1707 said:
No it's based on actually how recruiting rankings work.

It's based on talent, religion you play in, the number of camps you go to, are you played in your right position in high school, if your not how do you based on a guess what your college position how would you in a few people's mind do at your college position. Do you have exposure to get noticed, how big is your high school
Places like Mississippi poor and rual players get overlooked a ton too
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ok. let's say that the #'s in my attachment are just flat wrong, and skewed to not count the # of camped players.

the link i attached, showed 2.3% of all blue chip recruits come from MS.

in this link, you're going to find that MS only has 3% of it's HS football players recruited at the D1 level.

so what's the story, everybody missing the best kept football talent secret in the country???

or, MS just doesn't have that many good players???

what is more likely.....
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Dan Mullen has never beaten Alabama since he has been at Mississippi State. For Tennessee to get in playoff picture, we will probably have to face Alabama twice (regular season and SEC championship game). We need a coach who can at least beat Alabama once and maybe twice. Mullen is Jim McElwain 2.0.

Florida football has had 4 coaching searches since Mullen has been at Mississippi State and they STILL do not want him back.

1 Gruden
2 Frost
3 Patterson
 
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For the record, I don't know if Gruden is a pipe dream or not. My argument is that Scott Frost and Dan Mullen are actually BETTER HIRES than Gruden. Gruden is a high-risk hire, whose system has already failed spectacularly in college under Bill Callahan at Nebraska. I'm not saying Gruden wouldn't be better than Callahan, but he's far far from a "home run" and a much riskier hire than most of the Gruden maniacs here are willing to admit. Many NFL coaches have also stated that Gruden's biggest weakness is player development --- WHICH IS A VERY VERY BAD WEAKNESS TO HAVE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL! College is much more about player development than X's and O's; whereas the NFL is the reverse.

Mullen who has a proven track record of taking one of the worst programs in the SEC, and going to 8 straight bowl games, including a BCS Bowl. He won 2 national championships at Florida, coached a Heisman Trophy winner, and an NFL #1 pick. He's achieved his results as Miss State playing in the toughest division in college football, routinely playing at least 5 - 6 games per season where the other team has vastly more talent than his team (Bama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, Ole Miss, Georgia 2017).

I look at Mullen's resume and it's much more impressive than Gruden's resume when it comes to coaching college football. Gruden, for the record, I think would recruit well, but so did Bill Callahan, Jim Mora, Dave Wannstadt, and Mike Sherman ... and all those former NFL coaches failed. Gruden was an above-average NFL coach, but many above-average NFL coaches have failed in college football.
 
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jeffgordon said:
Dan Mullen has never beaten Alabama since he has been at Mississippi State. For Tennessee to get in playoff picture, we will probably have to face Alabama twice (regular season and SEC championship game). We need a coach who can at least beat Alabama once and maybe twice. Mullen is Jim McElwain 2.0.

Florida football has had 4 coaching searches since Mullen has been at Mississippi State and they STILL do not want him back.

1 Gruden
2 Frost
3 Patterson
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1) 4 coaches from the West have beaten Saban. 3 of them have been fired and the fourth will be in two weeks. Seems like maybe we should find some other criteria than just beating Saban.

2)It's been mentioned ad nauseum that Fla has made at least one attempt to bring Mullen back and Mrs Mullen said no.
 
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jeffgordon said:
Dan Mullen has never beaten Alabama since he has been at Mississippi State. For Tennessee to get in playoff picture, we will probably have to face Alabama twice (regular season and SEC championship game). We need a coach who can at least beat Alabama once and maybe twice. Mullen is Jim McElwain 2.0.

Florida football has had 4 coaching searches since Mullen has been at Mississippi State and they STILL do not want him back.

1 Gruden
2 Frost
3 Patterson
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Florida is dumb.
 
#524
#524
As for recruiting in Mississippi, here are the facts:

(*) Mississippi is ranked #13 as far as blue-chip talent, which isn't terrible, but it's not fantastic,
(*) Mississippi schools are still at a disadvantage against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, and Texas A&M,
(*) Miss State has to split Mississippi with Ole Miss, which has more resources and tradition,
(*) Miss's #13 ranking is misleading because most of the talent is in the Southern part of the state, away from Ole Miss and Miss State,
(*) Many of the recruits in southern Miss consider LSU their "home school",
(*) LSU, Florida State, and Alabama are able to raid southern Mississippi with ease, as all three schools have better resources and tradition than the Mississippi schools
(*) Miss State is among the 3 toughest SEC schools to recruit to; it's consider on par with Kentucky, which is why Kentucky is also considered it's "other rival"

What Dan Mullen has done at Miss State is a miracle. Miss State, like Vanderbilt, is a job where coaches go to destroy their careers. I honestly think Mullen is a top 10 coach in the nation and he may be even better than that; it's tough to say because he's competing at such a huge disadvantage versus Bama, LSU, A&M, and Auburn.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
For the record, I don't know if Gruden is a pipe dream or not. My argument is that Scott Frost and Dan Mullen are actually BETTER HIRES than Gruden. Gruden is a high-risk hire, whose system has already failed spectacularly in college under Bill Callahan at Nebraska. I'm not saying Gruden wouldn't be better than Callahan, but he's far far from a "home run" and a much riskier hire than most of the Gruden maniacs here are willing to admit. Many NFL coaches have also stated that Gruden's biggest weakness is player development --- WHICH IS A VERY VERY BAD WEAKNESS TO HAVE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL! College is much more about player development than X's and O's; whereas the NFL is the reverse.

Mullen who has a proven track record of taking one of the worst programs in the SEC, and going to 8 straight bowl games, including a BCS Bowl. He won 2 national championships at Florida, coached a Heisman Trophy winner, and an NFL #1 pick. He's achieved his results as Miss State playing in the toughest division in college football, routinely playing at least 5 - 6 games per season where the other team has vastly more talent than his team (Bama, LSU, Auburn, A&M, Ole Miss, Georgia 2017).

I look at Mullen's resume and it's much more impressive than Gruden's resume when it comes to coaching college football. Gruden, for the record, I think would recruit well, but so did Bill Callahan, Jim Mora, Dave Wannstadt, and Mike Sherman ... and all those former NFL coaches failed. Gruden was an above-average NFL coach, but many above-average NFL coaches have failed in college football.
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i think gruden is a lot different than those guys. those guys came right out of the NFL head coaching factory, set to the default setting.

i think Gruden has a personality that could fit college, and h e's a much better teacher and strategist than some of the names mentioned.

the think i would worry about with him is could he dial some of "himself" back, and would he want to deal with the grind of constantly having to teach vs. getting to the strategic part of the game....

past that...yeah, i think it'd be great to have him.
 
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