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I know it's nothing new, but I'm super stoked that my dad picked up a green G43 in Nashville for me today! Going to get it when I visit next weekend. I wear slim clothes, so this will be a game changer since I have been carrying a G23 for the past 7 years! :rock:
 
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Recommendations for customizations for a G43? I'm thinking either Strike EMP or Hyve +2 mag extensions to start. Maybe better sights...please help!
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Recommendations for customizations for a G43? I'm thinking either Strike EMP or Hyve +2 mag extensions to start. Maybe better sights...please help!
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Standard Glock "ball in a cup" sights? Yeah, my G30S has those. I'm okay with it; I figure my engagement range will be in "both eyes open territory".

Default answer: ask GV. Beyond that, find a Glock armorer near you. Here, we have a place called Telluric, and they have a Glock certified armorer on-site. If I ever decide to upgrade my sights, I'll let them tell me what I need.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Standard Glock "ball in a cup" sights? Yeah, my G30S has those. I'm okay with it; I figure my engagement range will be in "both eyes open territory".

Default answer: ask GV. Beyond that, find a Glock armorer near you. Here, we have a place called Telluric, and they have a Glock certified armorer on-site. If I ever decide to upgrade my sights, I'll let them tell me what I need.
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I've honestly never had a problem with stock Glock sights, but it seems like I hear a lot of people complain about them. Maybe I shouldn't worry about it, but I am interested to hear the other side of it.
 
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Grand what's your thoughts on a piston gun vs a gas gun? I've never tinkered with a piston gun. My brother made a big deal out it with that lwrc.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I've honestly never had a problem with stock Glock sights, but it seems like I hear a lot of people complain about them. Maybe I shouldn't worry about it, but I am interested to hear the other side of it.
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Yep. When I can shoot well enough that my sights are my main problem, I'll worry about it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Grand what's your thoughts on a piston gun vs a gas gun? I've never tinkered with a piston gun. My brother made a big deal out it with that lwrc.
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Nooooooooooo! He's going to talk you into spending $75,000 on a 4.2 gigawatt laser plasma ion cannon with triple-reverse inverted flux capacitor sights and a 2 million candlepower FlashBurn night light with an integrated ICBM-killing laser and Doppler RADAR infrared target-discrimination software. You'll end up hocking your house, car, kids, cat, lawnmower, and beer fridge just to buy the ammo he talks you into.

Ask Luther. He's cheaper.

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GreyWolf1129 said:
Nooooooooooo! He's going to talk you into spending $75,000 on a 4.2 gigawatt laser plasma ion cannon with triple-reverse inverted flux capacitor sights and a 2 million candlepower FlashBurn night light with an integrated ICBM-killing laser and Doppler RADAR infrared target-discrimination software. You'll end up hocking your house, car, kids, cat, lawnmower, and beer fridge just to buy the ammo he talks you into.

Ask Luther. He's cheaper.

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Grand has already spent a bunch of my money. Luther would object to a red Ryder bb gun without a 3 year waiting period and a psych evaluation by Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Grand has already spent a bunch of my money. Luther would object to a red Ryder bb gun without a 3 year waiting period and a psych evaluation by Nancy Pelosi and Charles Schumer.
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And you can only shoot X bb’s in Y seconds. We’re still trying to get the values for X and Y
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
GV, where do you get your 5.56 ammo, and how often do you burn any up?

I'm looking for a regular source for practice and defense ammo.
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Okay, ammo now that I'm back on the computer...

So, SGAmmo is my first go to even though I have to pay state sales tax on things I buy. I go to them because they are reputable, reasonably priced and ship fast. Plus, during the great ammo siege of 2012-2013, they didn't automatically jack up prices like some dealers did. Sure, they raised them as they were buying wholesale, but by and large, Sam (the owner) tried his best to keep things "reasonable" as he could.

For practice and range rounds, especially close in, there isn't a thing wrong with any of the steel cased Russian animal brands or Barnaul on the market. It's cheap, tends to go bang and punches paper just fine. Don't get caught up in the whole "it'll ruin your rifle!" talk. I've shot more than my fair share of it and it works fine. I actually prefer the Silver Bear myself since it doesn't seem to junk up the chamber as much. It is dirty though.

If you're looking for the "full powered" 5.56 load. Go with M193 spec stuff. Yeah, it's got a different ballistic track than your SP stuff, but again, training up close and whatnot. Prvi Partisan, IMI and Magtech are good to go. Haven't shot the MEN stuff on the market personally, but it gets good reviews. You can go up in price for the Federal, Winchester, PMC and other "big name" brands, but frankly, the Prvi is just as good for a cheaper price.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Yeah, I think the Jehovah Witnesses have me on their "Do Not Disturb" list.....lol.

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Haha...the JW comment reminded me of when they came to visit us. We live off the beaten path somewhat. They were greeted by my oldest son coming out of the woods carrying tomahawks and throwing axes and knives strapped to him and he was asking why they were there. He was actually just practicing throwing but used the opportunity to have some fun at their expense.
They left pretty quick.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Grand what's your thoughts on a piston gun vs a gas gun? I've never tinkered with a piston gun. My brother made a big deal out it with that lwrc.
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Urban legends about the uber-awesome piston AR systems. Long story short, some SOCOM units went to a piston H&K which lit a bonfire in the gun world about how awesome piston ARs were and the DI was now obsolete.

Well, come to find out, the M4 wasn't quite as bad as they thought (the Army tests were biased and the criteria was skewed), but not before all kinds of manufacturers started messing with a piston design. Some good, some, well, needed work. The problem was, not a darn one of them were "standard" nor compatible with each other. The closest to a "standard" would likely be the HK416 since it's gained more widespread acceptance than other designs except maybe the LWRCI systems.

As for the great "Piston vs DI" debate, I own both. I have an Adcor BEAR with a low serial number that's been reliable (it's really a unique system that offers some interesting features) along with having a bit of range time with an LWRCI and Sig 516. All have been pretty sturdy designs, but honestly, they do nothing my standards ARs won't do. People like to claim they are "cleaner" and "don't run as hot" as a DI AR. However, not entirely accurate. There is a saying about an AR, it sh!ts where it eats. Which is true since the gas comes right back into the BCG and drags carbon with it. Nothing oil won't overcome though.

A piston on the other hand doesn't do that. But it just deposits it's carbon in a different place. And as for heat, well, the piston area tends to get a little warm. So, it's generally a trade off. Both are going to get dirty, just dirty in different places.

My biggest gripe about piston systems, well, two of them, again is the proprietary parts and the price. Sorry, but LWRCI goes on a name and increases the price. Kind of like Larue or Knights in that regard, but they don't do anything special other than build a durable rifle. But not at the price they charge in my opinion. As for parts, if one of my DI carbines breaks something, I'm pretty much unlimited on getting a replacement part. If my Adcor breaks, I'm limited to Adcor to get a replacement part. Same with Sig, Adams Arms, H&K, Ruger, etc, etc, etc.

Having said all that to say this, if your brother is happy with his new toy, let him be happy. He'll want to talk about how wunderbar it is because it cost him so much and how much your ARs suck in comparison, but honestly, it's not going to do anything different than your own toys. You could have a five hundred round shoot off and both will be running in the end.
 
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And truth be told, InVol, if looking at a piston system, I'd dare say the better bet would be something designed as a piston system from the start and wasn't shoehorning a piston system into a platform designed for a DI system. Something like a Bushmaster ACR, FN SCAR, CZ 805, Beretta ARX, so on and so forth.

Really want to screw with him? Get a Tavor.
 
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So my friend is digging the Magnum research desert eagle 1911c. Can’t find any real negative reviews about them, I know they’re known for the .50 are DE.

Anyone ever have experience with their 1911s ? GV?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Urban legends about the uber-awesome piston AR systems. Long story short, some SOCOM units went to a piston H&K which lit a bonfire in the gun world about how awesome piston ARs were and the DI was now obsolete.

Well, come to find out, the M4 wasn't quite as bad as they thought (the Army tests were biased and the criteria was skewed), but not before all kinds of manufacturers started messing with a piston design. Some good, some, well, needed work. The problem was, not a darn one of them were "standard" nor compatible with each other. The closest to a "standard" would likely be the HK416 since it's gained more widespread acceptance than other designs except maybe the LWRCI systems.

As for the great "Piston vs DI" debate, I own both. I have an Adcor BEAR with a low serial number that's been reliable (it's really a unique system that offers some interesting features) along with having a bit of range time with an LWRCI and Sig 516. All have been pretty sturdy designs, but honestly, they do nothing my standards ARs won't do. People like to claim they are "cleaner" and "don't run as hot" as a DI AR. However, not entirely accurate. There is a saying about an AR, it sh!ts where it eats. Which is true since the gas comes right back into the BCG and drags carbon with it. Nothing oil won't overcome though.

A piston on the other hand doesn't do that. But it just deposits it's carbon in a different place. And as for heat, well, the piston area tends to get a little warm. So, it's generally a trade off. Both are going to get dirty, just dirty in different places.

My biggest gripe about piston systems, well, two of them, again is the proprietary parts and the price. Sorry, but LWRCI goes on a name and increases the price. Kind of like Larue or Knights in that regard, but they don't do anything special other than build a durable rifle. But not at the price they charge in my opinion. As for parts, if one of my DI carbines breaks something, I'm pretty much unlimited on getting a replacement part. If my Adcor breaks, I'm limited to Adcor to get a replacement part. Same with Sig, Adams Arms, H&K, Ruger, etc, etc, etc.

Having said all that to say this, if your brother is happy with his new toy, let him be happy. He'll want to talk about how wunderbar it is because it cost him so much and how much your ARs suck in comparison, but honestly, it's not going to do anything different than your own toys. You could have a five hundred round shoot off and both will be running in the end.
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My common sense was telling me some of the same things you have said. It's physics, you didn't eliminate the heat or the dirt, you just moved it somewhere else.

Yea, I've already decided to just let him have his toy with no ribbing from me. I encouraged him not to buy it. Told home I could build 2 really nice ARs for what he's going to spend. But he wasn't going to have any of it. I guess if he wants nother caliber he'll have to invest another couple of ARs in a new upper for his lwrc.


Thanks for the response, as always. I've ordered the gen II Aero Precision 308 upper and lower so I'm sure I'll have some questions. From what I've read the AR10 has much more variance between manufacturers than the ar15.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
My common sense was telling me some of the same things you have said. It's physics, you didn't eliminate the heat or the dirt, you just moved it somewhere else.

Yea, I've already decided to just let him have his toy with no ribbing from me. I encouraged him not to buy it. Told home I could build 2 really nice ARs for what he's going to spend. But he wasn't going to have any of it. I guess if he wants nother caliber he'll have to invest another couple of ARs in a new upper for his lwrc.


Thanks for the response, as always. I've ordered the gen II Aero Precision 308 upper and lower so I'm sure I'll have some questions. From what I've read the AR10 has much more variance between manufacturers than the ar15.
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While the BCG and front of the upper get dirty as hell on a gas gun they are easy to access and clean. I have a buddy whose service rifle is piston. He likes it. But I’ve never really felt it was a game changer for me.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I've honestly never had a problem with stock Glock sights, but it seems like I hear a lot of people complain about them. Maybe I shouldn't worry about it, but I am interested to hear the other side of it.
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I like the stock sights also. The only real issue with them is they are plastic. If you're playing action pistol games with them, they are prone to break. The typical every day carry Glock that doesn't get drawn much or take abuse will be just fine with stock sights.

Wanting night sights would be the most legitimate "need" to change them.
 
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Anyone that carries IWB prefer one of these styles over the other? Also kydex or leather? I'm assuming a kydex holster would be more sweat resistant than leather.
 

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jhen713 said:
Anyone that carries IWB prefer one of these styles over the other? Also kydex or leather? I'm assuming a kydex holster would be more sweat resistant than leather.
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For IWB, I prefer something with one clip or loop and a low profile. That way I can take it off and put it on easily with the pistol already in the holster.

I've used a Galco deep concealment leather holster for 20+ years on a regular basis but kydex is really nice.

This place makes some really nice kydex at a reasonable price and they ship really fast. Betweet my wife, daughters and me we probably have half a dozen of them.

https://www.concealmentexpress.com/...MI-frVrJy_2QIVBwtpCh0TSArREAAYASAAEgL5WvD_BwE
 
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