The Minimum Wage: What's the Big Deal?

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volprof said:
And that there, my friends is the crux.

You're an elitist.

You don't care about anyone else other than your own, as you say, teat suckers.

I don't know what kind of farm you grew up on, but it disappoints me to see how you think about things regarding those who work hard and those who are uneducated.

I'm glad you get to send your entitled spawn to wherever you prefer. Things apparently worked out very well for you, but not everyone can do that.

Anyhow, just please don't raise your kids to be completely blind to the plight of others.

It's great to make money and be the emperors of the world, which you seem to champion, but never forget where you came from.

The money you make is not an indicator of your self worth.

But what the hell do I know. I'm not a Christian.
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Small business owners employ the majority of the workforce and provide the bulk of the jobs, I'm grateful for entrepreneurs like hog who weren't scared to take a chance and start a Damn business.. you could learn a thing or two from him numb nuts.😝
 
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And another thing, little Hogelitistknowitall88, all you've done is confirm my original post and the origins of this thread, wherein I stated that I know this is an anti-poor people forum (because they're fun to make fun of and it makes us all feel good about ourselves), but....

You think you're better than everyone else, including me, because you make more money.

That's fine and dandy. A good reason to think one is better than another, but do you kiss your Jesus with that mouth?

Anyhow, you've made it clear why you don't like a higher minimum wage:

You hate poor people.

You've said so yourself.

Don't even try to wriggle your weasely little ass out this one. Any person with an IQ above 50 realizes you've basically said so yourself on here.

So, your position on minimum wage, no matter how "smart" and wealthy and ingenious and brilliant and the wheels of America you are, has pretty much been invalidated.

Thank you, wheels of America. You still suck at life.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Small business owners employ the majority of the workforce and provide the bulk of the jobs, I'm grateful for entrepreneurs like hog who weren't scared to take a chance and start a Damn business.. you could learn a thing or two from him numb nuts.😝
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You're boring.

Get out of here, you military money sucking numb nuts.
 
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volprof said:
And that there, my friends is the crux.

You're an elitist.

You don't care about anyone else other than your own, as you say, teat suckers.

I don't know what kind of farm you grew up on, but it disappoints me to see how you think about things regarding those who work hard and those who are uneducated.

I'm glad you get to send your entitled spawn to wherever you prefer. Things apparently worked out very well for you, but not everyone can do that.

Anyhow, just please don't raise your kids to be completely blind to the plight of others.

It's great to make money and be the emperors of the world, which you seem to champion, but never forget where you came from.

The money you make is not an indicator of your self worth.

But what the hell do I know. I'm not a Christian.
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I'm an elitist? :crazy:

I'm not the one crying like a ***** about what other people should do with their money.

Dairy by the way.
 
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volprof said:
I get the joke. Har har.

But he's making that up just to look good.

If he's not, he's a very dumb business man.
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Making that up?


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And you should price out a welder that can do pipe, pipe that will be carrying oil before you call someone a liar.
 
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volprof said:
And another thing, little Hogelitistknowitall88, all you've done is confirm my original post and the origins of this thread, wherein I stated that I know this is an anti-poor people forum (because they're fun to make fun of and it makes us all feel good about ourselves), but....

You think you're better than everyone else, including me, because you make more money.

That's fine and dandy. A good reason to think one is better than another, but do you kiss your Jesus with that mouth?

Anyhow, you've made it clear why you don't like a higher minimum wage:

You hate poor people.

You've said so yourself.

Don't even try to wriggle your weasely little ass out this one. Any person with an IQ above 50 realizes you've basically said so yourself on here.

So, your position on minimum wage, no matter how "smart" and wealthy and ingenious and brilliant and the wheels of America you are, has pretty much been invalidated.

Thank you, wheels of America. You still suck at life.
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I don't hate poor people, I've hired several and now guess what, they're not poor anymore. Just what the hell have you done to raise someone out of poverty?
 
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To the OP:

What should the minimum wage be and what is your criteria for setting it? (you indicated earlier the current is not enough but 15 is too much - how do you arrive at that).

You critique the free market yet putting faith in central planning also has it's problems no? Do you trust that our political system yields optimal or anywhere near optimal solutions? Clearly there is a link between a minimum wage and total employment. What is the goal for the minimum wage?

The minimum wage is not a big deal to me but while you have problems with those that oppose it, I have problems with those who suggest it ought to be "x" without showing the logic, who claim it won't raise costs (CBO pointed out likely job losses from current proposals; I guess they are wrong), or being against it means you hate poor people (the worst and weakest argument of the bunch)
 
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volprof said:
This forum is not what any rational person or even I (as an unrational person) would describe as exactly pro-poor, uneducated people (although we have a lot of uneducated people posting on here), but something that has always caused me to pause is the absolute disdain some Americans have for the minimum wage.

I want to get VolNation's assessment of the minimum wage. I want to understand why it may or may not be a good idea.

Generally speaking, I'm pro-minimum wage, but I understand that many of you aren't. What's the deal? Help a dumb guy out.

I will go ahead and say that, if your rationale is some sort of trippy Ron Paul "free market is God" goofy stuff, I don't buy that at all. The nineteenth century was a veritable experiment in free market free-for-all economics, and, well, let's just say that it made Adam Smith look cute. No, the free market does not automatically determine living (or even decent wages), and the free market gives us a major financial crisis at least once or twice every decade, per the nineteenth-century. Hey, don't hate on me; hate on the nineteenth-century.

Anyhow, that bit of free market utopian nonsense (the equivalent of Karl Marx, just on the opposite side of the economic spectrum) being out of the way, why do you still despise the minimum wage? Conversely, why do you support the minimum wage?
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Let's take being a fry cook at McDonalds. In your opinion, is it something that is lofty enough for someone to strive for as a goal with which to support a family and therefore worthy of a "living wage"? If you believe it is, then why do we require any education beyond kindergarten? After all, it isn't rocket surgery, and I could probably train a hamster to make fries in about fifteen minutes. Or maybe the liberal touchy feeley mantra about a living wage and education is just so much hypocrisy. Liberals like to talk about "needs". Why do you "need" an education to do menial labor that requires essentially zero brain function? Let's identify the future fry cooks and let them out of school when they are 10 years old so they can begin working on that longevity and get that hard earned government retirement and health care, and "retire" when they are 35 years old. How could that possibly go bad?

Be real prof. Minimum wage jobs SHOULD not be career choices. By making those wages "liveable" all you are doing is keeping those people down. But then again maybe that is what liberals really want. Naaaaah.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't hate poor people, I've hired several and now guess what, they're not poor anymore. Just what the hell have you done to raise someone out of poverty?
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I wonder how many poor people that he knows that hire folks? Lol
 
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volinbham said:
To the OP:

What should the minimum wage be and what is your criteria for setting it? (you indicated earlier the current is not enough but 15 is too much - how do you arrive at that).

You critique the free market yet putting faith in central planning also has it's problems no? Do you trust that our political system yields optimal or anywhere near optimal solutions? Clearly there is a link between a minimum wage and total employment. What is the goal for the minimum wage?

The minimum wage is not a big deal to me but while you have problems with those that oppose it, I have problems with those who suggest it ought to be "x" without showing the logic, who claim it won't raise costs (CBO pointed out likely job losses from current proposals; I guess they are wrong), or being against it means you hate poor people (the worst and weakest argument of the bunch)
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I dont think it has to do as much with MW being "x" as much as something I see as completely off topic.
 
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Minimum wage is a joke ... Less than 3 million workers actual make it.. It nothing more than a benchmark for Union jobs
 
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Biopsyman said:
Minimum wage is a joke ... Less than 3 million workers actual make it.. It nothing more than a benchmark for Union jobs
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How do you figure that? I don't know of any unions that look for anything remotely close to minimum wage.
 
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LouderVol said:
going back to one of your early points i think a minimum wage should invalidate unions, of course not all union workers are making minimum wage.

you have to have a FMW, otherwise the market responds like it did and you get unions. which would you rather have? unions or FMW? unfortunately we have both.
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Most skilled workers won't work for MW that's the reason unions were formed and it helped to build a strong middle class. Poor countries have the rich and the poor, no middle class. The world needs a global minimum wage, the really poor can buy very little. :question:
 
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orangeluvr said:
Most skilled workers won't work for MW that's the reason unions were formed and it helped to build a strong middle class. Poor countries have the rich and the poor, no middle class. The world needs a global minimum wage, the really poor can buy very little. :question:
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Im not sure "skilled" workers are part of the MW puzzle.
 
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