The MF'n Finals Thread

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BigOrangeTrain said:
2 things are crystal clear after tonight's win by the Spurs.

1) this Spurs team may be a top 5-7 team of all time

2) the Lebron/Jordan comparisons have officially ended for good
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The Jordan/Lebron comparisons are stupid in the first place because most people just want to compare team accomplishments and decide who is better.

The comparisons will never stop, because for the few people that evaluate based on talent, basketball IQ, and effort, they can clearly see LJ is on MJ's level.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The Jordan/Lebron comparisons are stupid in the first place because most people just want to compare team accomplishments and decide who is better.

The comparisons will never stop, because for the few people that evaluate based on talent, basketball IQ, and effort, they can clearly see LJ is on MJ's level.
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Yep.

The comparison may have worked - championships wise - if they ever went head to head in the same era.

The landscape is too different to compare things like that.

LeBron is really freakin' good and we need to appreciate him while we have him.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't know that he would have such a high IQ, but Pop didn't teach him how to rebound, play D, or hit the 3. The things he's best at are mostly based on talent, IMO.
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I'm not saying he wouldn't be good, but being with The Spurs definitely have and will make him a better player.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The Jordan/Lebron comparisons are stupid in the first place because most people just want to compare team accomplishments and decide who is better.

The comparisons will never stop, because for the few people that evaluate based on talent, basketball IQ, and effort, they can clearly see LJ is on MJ's level.
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So is Larry, and Magic but they ain't MJ either. If MJ was on this team he would be dropping 50 on the Spurs because the rest of the team is struggling. If his teammates were not giving fully effort, MJ would punch someone. LBJ is the second best player ever, but him and MJ are just 2 extremely different basketball players. LBJ is more Magic than MJ.
 
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I hate the Heat. I want them to lose. (Sorry Ben)

Lebron deserves to be in any conversation about the GOAT. He's a great teammate and leader. I wonder how he would be viewed if he played in a great system for a great coach where other players were being developed around him.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
So is Larry, and Magic but they ain't MJ either. If MJ was on this team he would be dropping 50 on the Spurs because the rest of the team is struggling. If his teammates were not giving fully effort, MJ would punch someone. LBJ is the second best player ever, but him and MJ are just 2 extremely different basketball players. LBJ is more Magic than MJ.
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This is why I think Jordan's legend is getting out of control. He had 8 career 50-point outings in 179 playoff games. He lost 7 playoff series in his career and only scored 50 points in a game in one of those series. I know you were speaking in hyperbole, but to me there is no practical difference in their approaches to the game, as far as winning and losing goes. He was reliant on his team, just as much as Lebron is. They just have different styles.

I don't think there is any more virtue in MJ saying "f*** it, I'ma try to win this alone." Compared to Lebron's "I need to get my team involved or we will get smoked. Either way, you need your team to show up, or you're not going to win. The 63 in a losing series to the Celtics was incredible, but it was just for show.
 
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I said on this team, which would be in this era. No hand checking, you can't just kill a guy when he goes inside, everything is a foul. The way MJ attacked he probably gets 15 a game just on FTs alone.

Edit: ftr that post was just pointing out that they are different players. Magic is the far better comparison than MJ.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
2 things are crystal clear after tonight's win by the Spurs.

1) this Spurs team may be a top 5-7 team of all time

2) the Lebron/Jordan comparisons have officially ended for good
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Everyone said the Lebron comparisons would end after the mavericks choked him, but they came right back.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I'm still waiting on an answer to this one. I just watched James and Wade's post game interview and saw nothing of the sort.

Maybe I just misunderstood the post. I figured he was saying they were behaving like babies. Maybe he was saying that they were acting like they belonged to a baby? Which after watching the post game interviews would actually make more sense.
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Idk about Lebron being a baby, but wade was just walking up and down the court crying for calls. He was the last person back on defense.
 
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This series is boiling down to PG play...The overrated Chalmers and Mr Coles can not handles Parker or Kuwai Leonard (he's not a PG I know). The Spurs are penetrating anytime they want and it's leading to open jumpers as well as lay ups. The Heat are also getting killed on the pick and roll but have yet to make an adjustment. I'm not a Heat or Spurs fan but I'd much rather watch fundamental basketball instead of the clear out game that is played by many teams. By the way, the Heat can have Carmelo...he can't play D and will hurt them more than help them.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
I said on this team, which would be in this era. No hand checking, you can't just kill a guy when he goes inside, everything is a foul. The way MJ attacked he probably gets 15 a game just on FTs alone.

Edit: ftr that post was just pointing out that they are different players. Magic is the far better comparison than MJ.
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Sure hand check and other rule changes, but why are we so certain Jordan would thrive more today?

Today there seem to be many more athletic centers who can cover a lot of ground in help D. Zone defense is now permitted. Jordan didn't have to worry about an epidemic of flopping defenders every time he went to the hoop. 3 point line is further back. That's just a few points off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other changes that don't favor offense.
 
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BTW, on comparing LJ to Magic rather MJ...I used to be on board with that, but now I don't think there is anyone that is a fair comparison. Lebron scores a lot more than Magic did, he plays great D, and he's a 3 point threat. Magic was pass first.

I think LJ's style has just as much in common with MJ as it does Magic.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
I said on this team, which would be in this era. No hand checking, you can't just kill a guy when he goes inside, everything is a foul. The way MJ attacked he probably gets 15 a game just on FTs alone.

Edit: ftr that post was just pointing out that they are different players. Magic is the far better comparison than MJ.
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People act like hand checking is just some great deterrent that Jordan had to endure and love to spout off that without it he'd score at will.

It's complete nonsense.
 
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n_huffhines said:
BTW, on comparing LJ to Magic rather MJ...I used to be on board with that, but now I don't think there is anyone that is a fair comparison. Lebron scores a lot more than Magic did, he plays great D, and he's a 3 point threat. Magic was pass first.

I think LJ's style has just as much in common with MJ as it does Magic.
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He is the first of his kind, that's what makes all comparisons seem a bit off.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Sure hand check and other rule changes, but why are we so certain Jordan would thrive more today?

Today there seem to be many more athletic centers who can cover a lot of ground in help D. Zone defense is now permitted. Jordan didn't have to worry about an epidemic of flopping defenders every time he went to the hoop. 3 point line is further back. That's just a few points off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other changes that don't favor offense.
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What? The centers in his era>>>>>>>>>> todays centers and it's not really close. He only hit 0.5 3's per game so thats not really going to effect him. Flopping is a very valid argument, he was super aggressive that would definitely hurt him. Ftr his defense would probably suffer for the same reasons his offense would be better.
 
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n_huffhines said:
BTW, on comparing LJ to Magic rather MJ...I used to be on board with that, but now I don't think there is anyone that is a fair comparison. Lebron scores a lot more than Magic did, he plays great D, and he's a 3 point threat. Magic was pass first.

I think LJ's style has just as much in common with MJ as it does Magic.
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I think his approach to the game is far more Magic than MJ. But we can agree to disagree
 
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n_huffhines said:
Sure hand check and other rule changes, but why are we so certain Jordan would thrive more today?

Today there seem to be many more athletic centers who can cover a lot of ground in help D. Zone defense is now permitted. Jordan didn't have to worry about an epidemic of flopping defenders every time he went to the hoop. 3 point line is further back. That's just a few points off the top of my head. I'm sure there are other changes that don't favor offense.
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Jordan would thrive today for many reasons. #1 Psychologically he was/is far superior than anyone he played against. He could easily talk people out of their game.

#2 In this era he doesn't have to worry about players like Laimbeer, Mahorn, Charles Oakley, Rodman etc..guys who would put you on your rear if you drove the lane. Gone are the days when guys had to earn a basket if they entered the paint. A hard foul today gets you suspended and fined, back then it was just hard play. Imagine LeBron against Detroit or the Knicks back in the late 80's early 90's, he cries for fouls now (not as much as Wade) but most players today cry if you fart in their direction.

#3 The hand checking. Jordan was so good at creating space against his defender and those guys could keep a hand on him. He would be unguardable.

Before I go let me say this, I'm not a huge Jordan fan. Magic was my favorite player but I would love to see the matchup between last years Heat team and Jordan's best Bulls team.
 
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BadJerry20 said:
What? The centers in his era>>>>>>>>>> todays centers and it's not really close. He only hit 0.5 3's per game so thats not really going to effect him. Flopping is a very valid argument, he was super aggressive that would definitely hurt him. Ftr his defense would probably suffer for the same reasons his offense would be better.
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All I'm talking about is help D, and I don't think Jordan's were better at that. Maybe better overall shot blockers, but if the centers are faster about getting into position, that shot doesn't happen and the slashing player kicks out.
 
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