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MphsBlues said:
Are we gonna play football at UT for the first time in six or seven years?
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Between our schedule and questions marks at offensive skill positions, we may be waiting another year. Although, compared to last 2 seasons, we may finally have a consistent product on both sides of the ball.

*Also are we playing two Div-II teams this seasons? If so, we would need 7 wins, correct?
 
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Mr_Henley said:
Between our schedule and questions marks at offensive skill positions, we may be waiting another year. Although, compared to last 2 seasons, we may finally have a consistent product on both sides of the ball.

*Also are we playing two Div-II teams this seasons? If so, we would need 7 wins, correct?
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Dunno what the rules are on that, but I'm sure some of the folk on here do. Do you like Butch, so far?
 
#6,680
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Mr_Henley said:
Between our schedule and questions marks at offensive skill positions, we may be waiting another year. Although, compared to last 2 seasons, we may finally have a consistent product on both sides of the ball.

*Also are we playing two Div-II teams this seasons? If so, we would need 7 wins, correct?
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South Alabama is in the FBS this year so we only need 6 wins to go to a bowl.
 
#6,681
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I'm pro-Butch. I was never pro-Dooley, but I always supported him until his firing. I think Butch will win here and will take UT back to where it belongs. Hopefully, this fanbase gives him time. We have to be patient. I'm very impressed with his recruiting, leadership, and his charisma. I'm not really looking forward to this season though, because we literally have nothing. It would be a really great season if we got 6 wins. It's gonna take 3 years or so before we start being competitive again.
 
#6,682
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Butch is a man. Scotty is mean. Tbrown should go on a hunger strike until lionel is fired.

6-6
10-2
12-0 Natinal Champs
 
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From hoopshype.com


Peter Vecsey: Very unlikely new regime will pay big 2 keep Hollins, knowing it'll have 2 eat yr or 2 when fired. Look 4 aide David Joerger 2 sign cheap Twitter @PeterVecsey1
 
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Player A per 36 minutes: 16.1 points, 11.8 rebounds, 46 percent shooting, 52.8 percent within 10 feet, 17.9 PER, $17.8 million.
Player B per 36 minutes: 13.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 53.9 percent shooting, 60.6 percent within 10 feet, 17.8 PER, $3.1 million.

Player A is 31-year-old Zach Randolph. Player B is his backup, 23-year-old Ed Davis. With that much money at stake, dollars and cents have to win out over sentimentality.

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knucklehead_vol said:
Player A per 36 minutes: 16.1 points, 11.8 rebounds, 46 percent shooting, 52.8 percent within 10 feet, 17.9 PER, $17.8 million.
Player B per 36 minutes: 13.8 points, 10.2 rebounds, 53.9 percent shooting, 60.6 percent within 10 feet, 17.8 PER, $3.1 million.

Player A is 31-year-old Zach Randolph. Player B is his backup, 23-year-old Ed Davis. With that much money at stake, dollars and cents have to win out over sentimentality.

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Player B is going to have to put the work in outside the court. That's why Lionel didn't care for him. He's lazy off the court if the sources from several memphis radio shows are correct.
 
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Also, the PER is not the end result to look at in all scenarios as Hollinger will tell you. Value added, estimated wins above replacement, etc.. are key components as well. If we go by just the PER alone, Marc Gasol is the 12th best center, and we need to get Brandan Wright to be cost effective.
 
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The players like Joerger just as much as they like Hollins. Joerger has a lot more years . Hollins isn't getting any younger. I'm torn but I'm slightly leaning to Joerger.
 
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One thing about Joerger that separates him from Hollins is that he will put in the time and help younger players develop by giving them minutes (Wroten and Davis).
 
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tvols75 said:
Player B is going to have to put the work in outside the court. That's why Lionel didn't care for him. He's lazy off the court if the sources from several memphis radio shows are correct.
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That's the problem: he didn't play because Lionel didn't care for him. It's should be about production, not about who Lionel cares for. Unfortunately it's not. That why Lionel is gone.

To Gordon's point, the players like him and he is a film rat. He will out in the work.
 
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TBrown said:
That's the problem: he didn't play because Lionel didn't care for him. It's should be about production, not about who Lionel cares for. Unfortunately it's not. That why Lionel is gone.

To Gordon's point, the players like him and he is a film rat. He will out in the work.
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You think so? :question:
 
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Dude named chipc3 in the grizz forum posted the following:

Vescey has been promoting Joerger since December. I believe it was Vescey who said he saw Levien talking to a coach in the parking lot and surmised that Hollins was on his way out then. It could have been Sam Smith of course, they both say a lot of things as fact that don't turn out to be true.

While I agree in principle with his tweet, I believe this is his opinion not any insider information. My take, and it is just my opinion, is that the front office has been frustrated in his not buying into their advanced metrics to make substitutions (meaing not playing Ed Davis over Darrell Arthur) and his habit of disagreeing with the front office's strategy in the media.

However, they appreciate the team's success under Hollins also and don't want to dismiss him after the most successful season in franchise history. There may also be some concern that Dave Joerger, who does believe in the advanced metrics the front office favors, will find work elsewhere if Hollins is signed long term. I do believe the front office will be upset to sign Hollins only to see Joerger leave. The idea that they are concerned about having to fire Hollins down the road and eat the remainder of his contract is not supported by any conversations I have had with Levien nor anything I have read.

That isn't to say that isn't a concern for a team with a small profit margin to begin with but I don't believe that is the over-riding concern in the front office. They won't sign Hollins today if they have in the back of their minds the need or desire to fire him later. Again it is just my opinion but I think the loss of Joerger and the lack of buy-in to the new way of seeing the game as larger issues than having to eat Hollins contract later if he is fired.

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View Postsmit-tay griz, on 30 May 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:
Chip, how do you know he shares the same view of advanced metrics?

I've talked to people inside the organization. I've followed Joerger for years as the assistant coach here. It doesn't mean he's 100% believing everything Hollinger spits out but he does believe that advanced metrics should be taken as a more important tool in his arsenal than Hollins.

Dude seems pretty sharp.
 
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MphsBlues said:
Dude named chipc3 in the grizz forum posted the following:

Vescey has been promoting Joerger since December. I believe it was Vescey who said he saw Levien talking to a coach in the parking lot and surmised that Hollins was on his way out then. It could have been Sam Smith of course, they both say a lot of things as fact that don't turn out to be true.

While I agree in principle with his tweet, I believe this is his opinion not any insider information. My take, and it is just my opinion, is that the front office has been frustrated in his not buying into their advanced metrics to make substitutions (meaing not playing Ed Davis over Darrell Arthur) and his habit of disagreeing with the front office's strategy in the media.

However, they appreciate the team's success under Hollins also and don't want to dismiss him after the most successful season in franchise history. There may also be some concern that Dave Joerger, who does believe in the advanced metrics the front office favors, will find work elsewhere if Hollins is signed long term. I do believe the front office will be upset to sign Hollins only to see Joerger leave. The idea that they are concerned about having to fire Hollins down the road and eat the remainder of his contract is not supported by any conversations I have had with Levien nor anything I have read.

That isn't to say that isn't a concern for a team with a small profit margin to begin with but I don't believe that is the over-riding concern in the front office. They won't sign Hollins today if they have in the back of their minds the need or desire to fire him later. Again it is just my opinion but I think the loss of Joerger and the lack of buy-in to the new way of seeing the game as larger issues than having to eat Hollins contract later if he is fired.

And then this:

View Postsmit-tay griz, on 30 May 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:
Chip, how do you know he shares the same view of advanced metrics?

I've talked to people inside the organization. I've followed Joerger for years as the assistant coach here. It doesn't mean he's 100% believing everything Hollinger spits out but he does believe that advanced metrics should be taken as a more important tool in his arsenal than Hollins.

Dude seems pretty sharp.
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indeed

Chip is the dude who runs 3sob.
 
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It's a difficult decision to make. But I think I'm leaning more towards letting Lionel walk and promote Joerger. I'd hate to lose Lionel but I think I'd hate it even more to see David gone and see him flourish elsewhere.
 
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