The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

[lawgator1]

Raw dogging a porn star and paying her to stay quiet isn't a crime. It's ethically wrong but legally not....

This case isn't the hill for the Ds to die on.

I don't necessarily disagree and would rather see the focus on Mar A Lago, Georgia interference, and 1/6.

 

[hog88]

Raw dogging a porn star and paying her to stay quiet isn't a crime. It's ethically wrong but legally not....

This case isn't the hill for the Ds to die on.

Per LG it's just a smokescreen to keep the Rs distracted while they go after the real crimes.

 

[Vol8188]

I don't necessarily disagree and would rather see the focus on Mar A Lago, Georgia interference, and 1/6.

Would you also like to see Biden charged for his many documents or only trump?

Lol and 1/6 we both know is a joke. Telling people to peacefully assemble is not a crime.

I naturally assume all politicians are dirty but the more you investigate and the less you find with trump, the more impressed I become. If we were scrunitized to this level, at least half of us would be in jail already.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I would rather see the focus on Mar A Lago, Georgia interference, and 1/6.

So would Fauci, the Biden Crime Family, Russia, China, N Korea, the Fed, the banking industry, Mexico, and Fentanyl drug smugglers.

 

[luthervol]

Lol did trump destroy the economy or did the actions of state and local governments intentionally destroy the economy by locking down for political reasons?

Many are on records openly saying they would consider removing covid restrictions after the election

Just curious. Do you have a link of anyone actually saying that?

 

[luthervol]

You can definitely tell people who were sheltered from reality growing up.

lol.....My childhood was far from sheltered.

 

[C-south]

lol.....My childhood was far from sheltered.

Guess I was trying to give you an excuse.

 

[Vol8188]

Just curious. Do you have a link of anyone actually saying that?

Here's the LA County health director openly stating they would not consider reopening until post election. Given the economy was in a good place pre-Covid and then democrats shut the world down and controlled the biggest cities/counties within our country, wasn't it really democrats who ruined the economy? Were the high unemployment #s and low GDP not a direct result of lockdowns?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...re-open_schools_until_after_the_election.html

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I’d lay money that LG has been to one of the ranches in NV.

I’ve never had sex with a pornstar either. Don’t think I’d want to, I’d just embarrass myself.

I met a guy in LA once that worked in that industry. He said all the women are messed up in the head. All of them.

 

[hog88]

I met a guy in LA once that worked in that industry. He said all the women are messed up in the head. All of them.

I have no doubt.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm becoming of the opinion that the NYC thing may become a distraction from the meatier Georgia, Mar a Lago, and even the 1/6 cases. Hope that the weaker of all of them coming first isn't used to slough off tougher issues and cases.

Hope springs eternal with you clowns.

 

[RockyTop85]

They’re not. Sounds like the New York State legislature wrote a statute that says falsifying business records to conceal or further another crime is a felony. If done for some other purpose it’s a misdemeanor.

Bragg is alleging facts to satisfy that enhancement and the underlying crime that was concealed or whatever is the election finance crime.

It sounds like it is just a standard enhancement and he’s just applying New York law as written.

Seems like a tough case to win because presumably he can’t get a lesser included and he has to prove a lot of elements.

But it doesn’t seem nefarious. That sounds like it’s just Trumpkins doing Trumpkin things.

So after looking at it a bit more, the felony charge is also outside the SOL. I guess that should have been obvious. Apparently, there’s no tolling statute in New York that would apply. So he’s going to claim equitable tolling. But it’s not like they were sitting there waiting to indict Trump.

The enhancement alone, the shaky argument for equitable tolling alone, the political situation alone, or the closeness of the case alone… I’m not especially bothered by any of it individually but all of it together does stink.

cc:
@clarksvol00

 

[lawgator1]

Those complaints are a dime a dozen against prosecutors, at every level.

 

[lawgator1]

So after looking at it a bit more, the felony charge is also outside the SOL. I guess that should have been obvious. Apparently, there’s no tolling statute in New York that would apply. So he’s going to claim equitable tolling. But it’s not like they were sitting there waiting to indict Trump.

The enhancement alone, the shaky argument for equitable tolling alone, the political situation alone, or the closeness of the case alone… I’m not especially bothered by any of it individually but all of it together does stink.

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@clarksvol00

That's why its best to put this aside in favor of Mar A Lago, Georgia, and 1/6.

 

[hog88]

So after looking at it a bit more, the felony charge is also outside the SOL. I guess that should have been obvious. Apparently, there’s no tolling statute in New York that would apply. So he’s going to claim equitable tolling. But it’s not like they were sitting there waiting to indict Trump.

The enhancement alone, the shaky argument for equitable tolling alone, the political situation alone, or the closeness of the case alone… I’m not especially bothered by any of it individually but all of it together does stink.

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@clarksvol00

Can you explain what a tolling statute and equitable tolling is?

 

[McDad]

So after looking at it a bit more, the felony charge is also outside the SOL. I guess that should have been obvious. Apparently, there’s no tolling statute in New York that would apply. So he’s going to claim equitable tolling. But it’s not like they were sitting there waiting to indict Trump.

The enhancement alone, the shaky argument for equitable tolling alone, the political situation alone, or the closeness of the case alone… I’m not especially bothered by any of it individually but all of it together does stink.

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@clarksvol00

First time i have encountered "tolling" and "equitable tolling". Would you provide explanation?

 

[McDad]

Can you explain what a tolling statute and equitable tolling is?

 

[McDad]

That's why its best to put this aside in favor of Mar A Lago, Georgia, and 1/6.

 

[hog88]

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Us dummies need explanations.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

So after looking at it a bit more, the felony charge is also outside the SOL. I guess that should have been obvious. Apparently, there’s no tolling statute in New York that would apply. So he’s going to claim equitable tolling. But it’s not like they were sitting there waiting to indict Trump.

The enhancement alone, the shaky argument for equitable tolling alone, the political situation alone, or the closeness of the case alone… I’m not especially bothered by any of it individually but all of it together does stink.

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@clarksvol00

Could they essentially get a workaround and charge "tax fraud" if the falsified records were the basis of his returns. I would assume his NYC returns may still be open.

I agree...I don't see how Bragg can get there otherwise

 

[Grand Vol]

Those complaints are a dime a dozen against prosecutors, at every level.

Yeah, but how many of the cases are national news and politically motivated?

 

[luthervol]

Here's the LA County health director openly stating they would not consider reopening until post election. Given the economy was in a good place pre-Covid and then democrats shut the world down and controlled the biggest cities/counties within our country, wasn't it really democrats who ruined the economy? Were the high unemployment #s and low GDP not a direct result of lockdowns?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...re-open_schools_until_after_the_election.html

The LA County health director stating in September that it wasn't feasible to reopen schools before the election..........

That's your smoking gun?
COVID and all that went with it had a direct and immediate impact on the economy, an impact still being felt today.

Part of being a good president is an ability and willingness to work effectively with individual states. That takes trust, civility, compromise, efforts to bridge the divide....all things Trump burned to the ground.

 

[RockyTop85]

Can you explain what a tolling statute and equitable tolling is?

Yes but I’m not fixing my damn autocorrect to tolling every time so just read rolling and rolled as tolling and tolled.

So a Statute of limitations or a “limitations period” is like a countdown that runs except when it’s rolled.

Some states have tolling or savings statutes that basically say “SOL doesn’t run when…”. (In Tennessee the circumstances that stop the time limit from running are when you conceal the fact of the crime or when you live outside the state.) I don’t know if New York has one but, if they do, it apparently doesn’t contain the outside the state language or anything else that would apply here.

Equitable tolling is basically where a court pauses the SOL out of fairness or to prevent injustice. I don’t know whether this has ever been done in New York or if it’s new, but the State’s argument is apparently going to be that they couldn’t indict him while he was president.

 

[Vol8188]

The LA County health director stating in September that it wasn't feasible to reopen schools before the election..........

That's your smoking gun?
COVID and all that went with it had a direct and immediate impact on the economy, an impact still being felt today.

Part of being a good president is an ability and willingness to work effectively with individual states. That takes trust, civility, compromise, efforts to bridge the divide....all things Trump burned to the ground.

So the health director of one of the largest counties in the country saying they needed to wait until post election to reopen is nothing to you?

Also you 100% ignored the overall question. Was the problem with trumps economy because of lockdowns or not?