The Mandalorian

#251
#251
Not buying the arguments. On the heels of Empire rule with Darth Vader front and center and their fall at the hands of Luke, people aren’t aware of the Force and Jedis. Especially a well traveled bounty hunter and an Ugnaut who served in the war and lives on Tatooine (I think)?

Plot hole to me.
 
#253
#253
knox-townVOL said:
Goooooood heavens...
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Convince me otherwise. TFA was decent and than TLJ completely ruining the franchise. I'm refusing to see ROS on a matter of principal and this coming from a guy who is a huge SW nerd and saw Force Awakens, Rogue One, Last Jedi, and Solo all at midnight and a few times in theaters on top of that. Disney would have been better served adapting the Thrawn trilogy or New Jedi Order series into live action than this.
 
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#254
Burhead said:
Convince me otherwise. TFA was decent and than TLJ completely ruining the franchise. I'm refusing to see ROS on a matter of principal and this coming from a guy who is a huge SW nerd and saw Force Awakens, Rogue One, Last Jedi, and Solo all at midnight and a few times in theaters on top of that. Disney would have been better served adapting the Thrawn trilogy or New Jedi Order series into live action than this.
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Wait, you’re making these absurd claims and you haven’t even seen the conclusion to the trilogy??
 
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Burhead said:
Convince me otherwise. TFA was decent and than TLJ completely ruining the franchise. I'm refusing to see ROS on a matter of principal and this coming from a guy who is a huge SW nerd and saw Force Awakens, Rogue One, Last Jedi, and Solo all at midnight and a few times in theaters on top of that. Disney would have been better served adapting the Thrawn trilogy or New Jedi Order series into live action than this.
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TLJ did not ruin the franchise. Stop being so dramatic. Go see ROS and get your retcon redemption.

The sequels are a mess because they didn’t have a plan for the whole trilogy from the beginning. In JJ fashion he threw a bunch of stuff at the wall and left it to the next director to answer them. Johnson didn’t care about that stuff and tried to take it in a different direction. The whiney fan backlash gave Disney cold feet so they went back to Abrams who churned out a nice safe conclusion. They are not worse than the prequels but they aren’t great/epic or anything close. But they are entertaining which all SW was ever meant to be.

SW is fine. The OT is still in tact. The future is in the TV shows.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Wait, you’re making these absurd claims and you haven’t even seen the conclusion to the trilogy??
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I don't need to. Rian Johnson killed it for me with the Last Jedi. I mean seriously, what he did to Luke Skywalker was ridiculous.
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
Not buying the arguments. On the heels of Empire rule with Darth Vader front and center and their fall at the hands of Luke, people aren’t aware of the Force and Jedis. Especially a well traveled bounty hunter and an Ugnaut who served in the war and lives on Tatooine (I think)?

Plot hole to me.
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The Emperor didn’t announce he was a Sith when he took control.

How many people across thousands of planets actually saw Vader. Even if they did how many saw him using the force and lived. And what did the general population really know about Luke using force powers. For all they knew he was just a pilot who blew up the first Death Star. They may not even know his role in the 2nd DS. Not like there was a galactic newspaper publishing his exploits on Degobah like it was NFL training camp or something.

Granted, when Jedi used to be a Galactic Police force just 35 years prior, it does stretch suspension of disbelief. But I do agree with a live poster that the average life form in the galaxy rarely ever encountered a Jedi or any force user.
 
#259
#259
knox-townVOL said:
I wish I had all of yalls passion for this show. It was ok, it felt like a pilot season which it essentially was.

Next season they need to spend more time developing characters, make episodes an hour long, not do them in a “tell a new story every episode” manner, etc.

And no I don’t agree that the Mandalorian was anywhere close to Rise of Skywalker, that’s ludacris.
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I think I agree more with you than the others. I like the season but I only really liked about half the episodes. Several felt filler to me. I also liked RoS better than the whole of The Mandalorian. Maybe the best 4 episodes might be better than RoS but I can't just ignore the filler.
 
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Burhead said:
You're correct it was far superior. The sequel trilogy was a complete and utter butchering of the saga even worse than the prequels.
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The prequels didnt butcher anything. I think the prequels have aged a lot better than the sequels will tbh. The story in the prequels (while tedious in some parts) was at least cohesive and the universe felt vast and grand. It feels the opposite with the ST and I still think the major issue with the PT was and still is with the dialogue. World building with **** dialogue is George Lucas in a nutshell.

15 years after RoTS, a lot of people look back on them with a lot of fondness not just because of nostalgia but because imo, the sum of the PT ended up being better than its parts. I'm not sure anyone will look back on the ST in 15 years and see it that way and I think it will because of the lack of world building and a lack of an overarching plan for what the ST should be.

All jmo
 
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BigOrange15 said:
The prequels didnt butcher anything. I think the prequels have aged a lot better than the sequels will tbh. The story in the prequels (while tedious in some parts) was at least cohesive and the universe felt vast and grand. It feels the opposite with the ST and I still think the major issue with the PT was and still is with the dialogue. World building with **** dialogue is George Lucas in a nutshell.

15 years after RoTS, a lot of people look back on them with a lot of fondness not just because of nostalgia but because imo, the sum of the PT ended up being better than its parts. I'm not sure anyone will look back on the ST in 15 years and see it that way and I think it will because of the lack of world building and a lack of an overarching plan for what the ST should be.

All jmo
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The prequels most certainly did. Perhaps the basic underlying story was suitable but the execution was horrible. The dialogue was atrocious. The Sesame Street Anakin? Jar Jar? Romper room Younglings?

Darth Maul was likely the best character and could have been woven throughout the movies.

Anakin's story should have mirrored Luke’s starting as a teen.
 
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Roustabout said:
The prequels most certainly did. Perhaps the basic underlying story was suitable but the execution was horrible. The dialogue was atrocious. The Sesame Street Anakin? Jar Jar? Romper room Younglings?

Darth Maul was likely the best character and could have been woven throughout the movies.

Anakin's story should have mirrored Luke’s starting as a teen.
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Jar Jar is easy to hate but he didnt "butcher the story". He was semi-important in one and virtually nonexistent in the next two.

I agree that the villains were cool but underused. Still =/= butchering.

I dont disagee about the story having Anakin start as a teen.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
The prequels didnt butcher anything. I think the prequels have aged a lot better than the sequels will tbh. The story in the prequels (while tedious in some parts) was at least cohesive and the universe felt vast and grand. It feels the opposite with the ST and I still think the major issue with the PT was and still is with the dialogue. World building with **** dialogue is George Lucas in a nutshell.

15 years after RoTS, a lot of people look back on them with a lot of fondness not just because of nostalgia but because imo, the sum of the PT ended up being better than its parts. I'm not sure anyone will look back on the ST in 15 years and see it that way and I think it will because of the lack of world building and a lack of an overarching plan for what the ST should be.

All jmo
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Not sure I agree, because people were saying the same thing about not looking back fondly at the prequels after ROTS and yet here we are. The passage of time changes perception. People seem to forget just how badly most of the prequels were bashed.
 
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#268
Nothing new “butchers” the past. The OT is still watchable and you can ignore the rest of you don’t lie it.

As a long time comic reader I know that no new story is going to take away from the classics. No matter how much they retcon, I have the option to ignore it when I re-read/remember the old stuff.
 
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#269
VolsSportsFan said:
Not sure I agree, because people were saying the same thing about not looking back fondly at the prequels after ROTS and yet here we are. The passage of time changes perception. People seem to forget just how badly most of the prequels were bashed.
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My kids like the ST. In 15 years they will remember it fondly. While they LOVE the OT and like the PT, the ST is the big events they got to go to the theatre and see... Although they like the Mandalorian more. 😉
 
#270
#270
burntorangeVOLffle said:
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TLJ did not ruin the franchise. Stop being so dramatic. Go see ROS and get your retcon redemption.

The sequels are a mess because they didn’t have a plan for the whole trilogy from the beginning. In JJ fashion he threw a bunch of stuff at the wall and left it to the next director to answer them. Johnson didn’t care about that stuff and tried to take it in a different direction. The whiney fan backlash gave Disney cold feet so they went back to Abrams who churned out a nice safe conclusion. They are not worse than the prequels but they aren’t great/epic or anything close. But they are entertaining which all SW was ever meant to be.

SW is fine. The OT is still in tact. The future is in the TV shows.
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ROS wasn't all that great
 
#272
#272
We rewatched all the movies prior to going to see the new one. Episode 1 wasn't as bad as I remember. I actually like it better than episode 2. Pod Race and Final duel were phenomenal.
 
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Burhead said:
I don't need to. Rian Johnson killed it for me with the Last Jedi. I mean seriously, what he did to Luke Skywalker was ridiculous.
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Sorry your fan theories about Luke didn’t come true. I liked what they did with him. I didn’t want the same Luke we saw 30 years ago in Jedi of new hope.
 
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