The Kim Caldwell System

#78
#78
SGMVols said:
Except Cooper and Boyd, she recruited these players
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Yeah, everyone else she hand picked for this system, and Cooper seems to be the one who excels the most in it. Maybe they’ll turn it around, but we are having uglier losses in the second season than the first in the system. Apparently, it takes months to learn it, and I worry with transfer portal and freshmen having to constantly fill out our roster that it will be the same every year with trying to learn it. Maybe it takes players playing 3 to 4 years in it to master it? I think in D2 and lower D1 you’ll see rosters like that, but unfortunately, you don’t really get that in modern high levelD1 basketball these days, except for your stars at your top programs.
 
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WVU05UT09 said:
Nope but when you've got as much money invested as they do, especially in comparison to the rest of the competition, today is a BIG problem.
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It seems to be delivering in the recruiting at least so far. Now we need those players to develop. That doesn’t happen by Dec of year 1 USUALLY.

So maybe we’re jumping the gun a bit?
 
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spojo13 said:
Yeah, everyone else she hand picked for this system, and Cooper seems to be the one who excels the most in it. Maybe they’ll turn it around, but we are having uglier losses in the second season than the first in the system. Apparently, it takes months to learn it, and I worry with transfer portal and freshmen having to constantly fill out our roster that it will be the same every year with trying to learn it. Maybe it takes players playing 3 to 4 years in it to master it? I think in D2 and lower D1 you’ll see rosters like that, but unfortunately, you don’t really get that in modern high levelD1 basketball these days, except for your stars at your top programs.
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I think the older girls last year helped a ton in Spencer, Spear, Puckett, Darby. Leadership and some very good shooters in there.
 
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VolRanch said:
It seems to be delivering in the recruiting at least so far. Now we need those players to develop. That doesn’t happen by Dec of year 1 USUALLY.

So maybe we’re jumping the gun a bit?
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We started 3 seniors, 1 jr, and 1 freshman today. The player off the bench with by far the most mins is a Sr. Only 3 freshmen played, only 1 for significant mins.

Youth is not our problem.
 
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VolRanch said:
It seems to be delivering in the recruiting at least so far. Now we need those players to develop. That doesn’t happen by Dec of year 1 USUALLY.

So maybe we’re jumping the gun a bit?
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Maybe. I wont dismiss it totally out of hand. But in this new era with as much money as is involved time is not her friend.

If this system requires 2-3 years to pay off then it was the wrong hire.
 
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glv98 said:
We started 3 seniors, 1 jr, and 1 freshman today. The player off the bench with by far the most mins is a Sr. Only 3 freshmen played, only 1 for significant mins.

Youth is not our problem.
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I agree with that but to think the main components of what could be the start of something big is in the class of 25, 26 and beyond. I don’t think many of the current vets on the team are that level. Thats why I want to see the system with these future classes.
 
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VolRanch said:
I think the older girls last year helped a ton in Spencer, Spear, Puckett, Darby. Leadership and some very good shooters in there.
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We have quite a few seniors this year too, but maybe they aren’t great leader types. I think Kim has admitted in her own way that we didn’t sign the consistent three point shooters we needed for this year. Then again I guess you have to ask the question, if we don’t have the players necessary to run the system well, why didn’t Kim try to change it to fit her personnel?
 
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spojo13 said:
We have quite a few seniors this year too, but maybe they aren’t great leader types. I think Kim has admitted in her own way that we didn’t sign the consistent three point shooters we needed for this year. Then again I guess you have to ask the question, if we don’t have the players necessary to run the system well, why didn’t Kim try to change it to fit her personnel?
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Good question and her reluctance to change what they are doing is very annoying. Hope that changes as she goes on.
 
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VolRanch said:
I agree with that but to think the main components of what could be the start of something big is in the class of 25, 26 and beyond. I don’t think many of the current vets on the team are that level. Thats why I want to see the system with these future classes.
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Yeah just wait till next year!

We’ve been saying that for a decade.
 
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VolRanch said:
I agree with that but to think the main components of what could be the start of something big is in the class of 25, 26 and beyond. I don’t think many of the current vets on the team are that level. Thats why I want to see the system with these future classes.
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Our underclassmen can't shoot. So she better portal some shooters or it will get ugly in a hurry.
 
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glv98 said:
Yeah just wait till next year!

We’ve been saying that for a decade.
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We wanted Harper out because of mediocrity.
KC is hired. Absolutely over achieved in year 1.
Then brought in the nations number 2 class. And a top 10 class and number 5 player in the nation for 2026.

How fast do you want whatever you want to happen?

I am totally aware of how the team is playing and I personally don’t love the way the staff won’t change what they are doing when it’s clearly not working.

But I’m also willing to give it a bit of time to get some framing studs in here and see what happens.
 
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VolRanch said:
We wanted Harper out because of mediocrity.
KC is hired. Absolutely over achieved in year 1.
Then brought in the nations number 2 class. And a top 10 class and number 5 player in the nation for 2026.

How fast do you want whatever you want to happen?

I am totally aware of how the team is playing and I personally don’t love the way the staff won’t change what they are doing when it’s clearly not working.

But I’m also willing to give it a bit of time to get some framing studs in here and see what happens.
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Wonder if the mediocrity would’ve remained the case if the Athletic director opened the check book for Kellie like he did for Kim?

Some of these ladies wouldn’t be a Lady Vol if the wallet wasn’t unlimited for Kim to get whoever she wanted!

The former players and staff had to rely on/beg for $ from fans via donations to the Booster’s Club, but the moment she is let go there is money to bring in players like Barker, The Twins, Big O, Prawl, and Civil just to name a few!
 
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VolRanch said:
I agree with that but to think the main components of what could be the start of something big is in the class of 25, 26 and beyond. I don’t think many of the current vets on the team are that level. Thats why I want to see the system with these future classes.
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It doesn't work that way anymore... The portal done correctly and you win much faster. We shouldn't be getting blown out. If this thing turns around with this style of play then I'm totally wrong about the system.
 
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VolRanch said:
Mia shot 57 percent in high school from 3. I think some of them will come around. It’s a totally different level for them right now
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I do think Mia will hit her stride shooting also. The other 2(that plays) can't shot at all .
 
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volsagain said:
It doesn't work that way anymore... The portal done correctly and you win much faster. We shouldn't be getting blown out. If this thing turns around with this style of play then I'm totally wrong about the system.
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I think the women’s game is a little easier to build from high school than men’s bb and football.

Hard to imagine if the 5 that came in this year stay here and the class coming in stay(or at least most of them) the couldn’t build a powerhouse quickly
 
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