The Kim Caldwell System

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I wouldn’t call that analysis football savvy.. but okay.
What made the offense go last season was Talaysia Cooper and Lazaria Spearman. I don’t know what’s clouding the judgement of LV fans to pretend as if last season team & players are suddenly some great prime example of this system because it wasn’t.
I would say when it worked last season any idea of a Josh Dobbs in CKC system was Talaysia Cooper or Lazaria Spearman (protected WNBA draft prospects) in wins over Iowa, Florida State, Ole Miss, Alabama, UConn, and Ohio State. Now you can factor in Janiah Barker.

The issue as you point out though is the system. You’ll be amazed at how different Talaysia Cooper, Janiah Barker, and Lazaria Spearman would look in a different system. You’ll be surprised at how different the freshmen would look.
It really isn’t about having a player that could make any system look good which isn’t really possible on this level the system & coaching matters.
It comes down to putting players in a position to maximize their skills. This system doesn’t maximize players skills at all.

volfan102455 said:
I guess I assumed folks on here were also football savvy - but maybe not. Some thought that the schemes that Butch Jones ran was somewhat gimmicky as well. And he absolutely did not vary much during the years, but why should he? He recruited Josh Dobbs to Tennessee and quite honestly Dobbs was the type of QB that was going to make any offense successful. After Dobbs graduated the offense started to sputter and became less effective against the better teams. Jones also had some other incredible players on both sides of the ball that helped Tennessee be successful. So, some would say, having great players in key positions made his style look successful but it was NOT a system built on adjusting to maximize the skills of his players. To his credit he did start adjusting but it was too little too late. His time was up.

So, comparing to CKC who seems to be at least at this point unwilling to give in on any part of her system, I think she had players last season from Kellie's time that had good fundamental basketball skills that allowed them to play more smarter, and they did not always seem to stay completely in the system. They were not quick to shoot every time they touched the ball.

My comment though was that even if CKC somehow landed a Caitlin Clark type player, her system that constantly subs out players, would not take advantage of a player like that. It drives me completely crazy when a player in on fire with her shooting and CKC subs her anyway. When said player goes back in, the rhythm is more often than not - gone.
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volfan102455 said:
The entire system seems to be built on the thought that the team has a lot of more shots at the basket than their opponent. This is not happening against the better coached teams. Those teams are more than likely coached on how to either "stop the chaos" or take "advantage of the easy shots". That is why the blowouts occurred. The opponent was taking advantage of the chaos and using it against the LVs.
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From what I’ve seen, the blowouts happen because our team is mentally weak. You can see it on their faces when the zebras make a few bad calls against them in a row.
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
Explain?
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He was a quarter back with good running ability if the passing play football coach draw up didn't wook.
No one was open for the quarter back to throw the ball to.
Or offense line let a defensive player through to tackle the quarter back because defense coaches out smarter the offense.
coaches got someone a Free path to the quarter back.
Josh Dobbs could avoid the sacks / tackle from the defense and kept scoring drive alive.
Making head coach look better because Josh saved the day with his speed and ability to make defense players miss him.

BasketbaLL would be shot clock ruining down.
Offense set didn't get a open shot.
You got a player who get her own shot and hit more than she misses a basket when the team needs it.
 
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Not to get off topic but like many here I watch other non LV games, I saw Central Arkansas Lady Sugar Bears and they run "the system". While they are a mid major, one of my favorite games thusfar this season was them vs Arkansas State. They are currently 7-5 and start conference play on the 1st of the year.

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mudcat1973 said:
He was a quarter back with good running ability if the passing play football coach draw up didn't wook.
No one was open for the quarter back to throw the ball to.
Or offense line let a defensive player through to tackle the quarter back because defense coaches out smarter the offense.
coaches got someone a Free path to the quarter back.
Josh Dobbs could avoid the sacks / tackle from the defense and kept scoring drive alive.
Making head coach look better because Josh saved the day with his speed and ability to make defense players miss him.

BasketbaLL would be shot clock ruining down.
Offense set didn't get a open shot.
You got a player who get her own shot and hit more than she misses a basket when the team needs it.
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Yes, this yrs team is missing the player that steps up when you need a bucket and just says give me the ball and get out of my way. Cooper can be that person and did so last season but is not stepping into that role so far this season and no one else has. I believe you got to have that player.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Yes, this yrs team is missing the player that steps up when you need a bucket and just says give me the ball and get out of my way. Cooper can be that person and did so last season but is not stepping into that role so far this season and no one else has. I believe you got to have that player.
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I like the current system and I agree with your point we need that go to player. And I we will see that player emerge during SEC play. But I think though that this player must not be substituted out during crunch time. Give the ball to her and "get out of [her] way." I believe that player is Coop. GBO.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I guess I assumed folks on here were also football savvy - but maybe not. Some thought that the schemes that Butch Jones ran was somewhat gimmicky as well. And he absolutely did not vary much during the years, but why should he? He recruited Josh Dobbs to Tennessee and quite honestly Dobbs was the type of QB that was going to make any offense successful. After Dobbs graduated the offense started to sputter and became less effective against the better teams. Jones also had some other incredible players on both sides of the ball that helped Tennessee be successful. So, some would say, having great players in key positions made his style look successful but it was NOT a system built on adjusting to maximize the skills of his players. To his credit he did start adjusting but it was too little too late. His time was up.

So, comparing to CKC who seems to be at least at this point unwilling to give in on any part of her system, I think she had players last season from Kellie's time that had good fundamental basketball skills that allowed them to play more smarter, and they did not always seem to stay completely in the system. They were not quick to shoot every time they touched the ball.

My comment though was that even if CKC somehow landed a Caitlin Clark type player, her system that constantly subs out players, would not take advantage of a player like that. It drives me completely crazy when a player in on fire with her shooting and CKC subs her anyway. When said player goes back in, the rhythm is more often than not - gone.
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It was borderline criminal how Butch utilized Kamara and Hurd. Caldwell reminds me of him in this department; the system was "perfect" and any undesirable result is solely on the players. She is quick to throw players under the bus, much like him.

I want her to succeed here, but the cracks are already showing.
 
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ScreamingEagleVol said:
Not my words.
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…and yet you repeated them. Trust me. There is always a justification out there to support your position. Digging through it all to find a well founded center can be time consuming if you are prone to confirmation bias… just saying. Merry Christmas and great Blessings to you and yer fam in the New Year!
 
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zeppelin128 said:
It was borderline criminal how Butch utilized Kamara and Hurd. Caldwell reminds me of him in this department; the system was "perfect" and any undesirable result is solely on the players. She is quick to throw players under the bus, much like him.

I want her to succeed here, but the cracks are already showing.
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Yep. Next. The handwriting is on the wall. Bad hire by Danny tbh, tough I can see why he thought it would work,
 
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KnoxLikeUs said:
I wouldn’t call that analysis football savvy.. but okay.
What made the offense go last season was Talaysia Cooper and Lazaria Spearman. I don’t know what’s clouding the judgement of LV fans to pretend as if last season team & players are suddenly some great prime example of this system because it wasn’t.
I would say when it worked last season any idea of a Josh Dobbs in CKC system was Talaysia Cooper or Lazaria Spearman (protected WNBA draft prospects) in wins over Iowa, Florida State, Ole Miss, Alabama, UConn, and Ohio State. Now you can factor in Janiah Barker.

The issue as you point out though is the system. You’ll be amazed at how different Talaysia Cooper, Janiah Barker, and Lazaria Spearman would look in a different system. You’ll be surprised at how different the freshmen would look.
It really isn’t about having a player that could make any system look good which isn’t really possible on this level the system & coaching matters.
It comes down to putting players in a position to maximize their skills. This system doesn’t maximize players skills at all.
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She shouldn't give up on her system. It has won her 90+of the games she has coached. No way she or anyone else would change it unless the entire system is a flop. The biggest problem at this stage of the season is her bigs are not playing defense, rebounding, not, blocking sjhoys and not hitting layups. They are throwing ball up in yhr air and not shooting the ball. Wake up and watch the games. Sometimes the fullcour press in broken for an easy layup, the they also are getting 20 more turnovers per game they the teams they play.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
She shouldn't give upon her system. It has won her 90+of the games she has coached. No way she or anyone else would change it unless the entire system is a flop. The biggest problem at this stage of the season is her bigs are not playing defense, rebounding, not, blocking sjhoys and not hitting layups. They are throwing ball up in yhr air and not shooting the ball. Wake up and watch the games. Sometimes the fullcour press in broken for an easy layup, the they also are getting 20 more turnovers per game they the teams they play.
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There are definitely other things contributing to the questions surrounding the staff’s coaching acumen. You’ve listed a few.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Yes, this yrs team is missing the player that steps up when you need a bucket and just says give me the ball and get out of my way. Cooper can be that person and did so last season but is not stepping into that role so far this season and no one else has. I believe you got to have that player.
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The lane is not open for Coop to drive because we don't have Darby, Spencer and Spear there as a 3 point threat. Teams are just packing it in. CKC syste, needs shooter to open up the middle.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
She shouldn't give upon her system. It has won her 90+of the games she has coached. No way she or anyone else would change it unless the entire system is a flop. The biggest problem at this stage of the season is her bigs are not playing defense, rebounding, not, blocking sjhoys and not hitting layups. They are throwing ball up in yhr air and not shooting the ball. Wake up and watch the games. Sometimes the fullcour press in broken for an easy layup, the they also are getting 20 more turnovers per game they the teams they play.
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Not sure where 20 came from. +7.73 turnover margin. Some people hate to get fact checked, simple solution is to post facts not opinions when posting numbers if it bothers you. If you are off by a bit, nobody cares. Off by close to 200% and it gets noticed. Peace.

 
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Rooster1 said:
Not sure where 20 came from. +7.73 turnover margin. Some people hate to get fact checked, simple solution is to post facts not opinions when posting numbers if it bothers you. If you are off by a bit, nobody cares. Off by close to 200% and it gets noticed. Peace.

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The 7.73 also doesn't hold up well for the better opponents.

- NC. Sate it was + 1 (11 to 10)
- For UCLA it was -8 (20 to 12)
- For Louisville it was +3 (17 to 20)

And I am not sure there is any game where it was +20.
 
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rogatl said:
The lane is not open for Coop to drive because we don't have Darby, Spencer and Spear there as a 3 point threat. Teams are just packing it in. CKC syste, needs shooter to open up the middle.
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Probably not that simple.
 
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One thing great to know is we have four players that have taken 63 percent of our three point shots averaging 35 percent as a group. Everyone else 22 percent so that pulls our team number down to 30 percent. If we could increase those four players up to 85 percent or better of the three point shots and get everybody else down to 15 percent or less should increase our three point shooting by two to three percent and put us exactly where last years team was shooting the three. That would get us about two more makes a game out of the 34 were averaging. The number to get in any game shooting that many is at least 11.
Last years team shot 67 percent from the line this team 64 percent just looks like Coaches don't put much into free throw shooting. Not a big deal, but with the number of times were getting to the line 70 percent would get us two more points. Might be the two that wins us a game somewhere down the line.
 
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Based on the stats at this point the Lady Vols are:

14th in Field Goal Percentage
16th in Free Throw Percentage
13th in 3 Point Field Goal Percentage

We do lead in 3 Point Field Goals made per game but that is more related to the fact that we shoot a lot of three-point shots.

Coupled with

15th in Field Goal Percentage Defense
15th in 3 Point Field Goal Percentage Defense

Looking at the stats, a lot of improvement is needed.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Based on the stats at this point the Lady Vols are:

14th in Field Goal Percentage
16th in Free Throw Percentage
13th in 3 Point Field Goal Percentage

We do lead in 3 Point Field Goals made per game but that is more related to the fact that we shoot a lot of three-point shots.

Coupled with

15th in Field Goal Percentage Defense
15th in 3 Point Field Goal Percentage Defense

Looking at the stats, a lot of improvement is needed.
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Ugh… 😩
 
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