The Kiffin Effect

#52
#52
Kiffin was needed at the time. He came in and acid-washed the Fulmer-funk off of the UT football program. One year was all we needed to get the job accomplished. Dooley has arrived on the scene to clean things up and re-paint the walls of the program in a presentable color and style.
 
#53
#53
tripper said:
OK, so take away Kiffin '09 class or Kiffin's/Dooley's '10 class. What do you have?
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Ok, well let's break it down even more then....

15 out of the 22 in '09 would be considered signees of Kiffin.

10 of those 15 would be considered a potential bust or have transferred out of the program at this point.

So, only 33% of Kiffin's signees in that class have worked out to this point.

In the '10 class, 12 of the 27 would be considered Kiffin signees, and that is before he left.

Out of those 12, 8 contributed this season. So that's 66% working out right now.

So, Kiffin's out of all Kiffin's signees, 48% of them have contributed to this point.

The only one's I consider Kiffin signees are the kids that committed when he was here, no more. You can speculate all you want about other prospects, but we are just dealing with what we have here right now.
 
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#55
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok, well let's break it down even more then....

15 out of the 22 in '09 would be considered signees of Kiffin.

10 of those 15 would be considered a potential bust or have transferred out of the program at this point.

So, only 33% of Kiffin's signees in that class have worked out to this point.
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Our put another way...

Re-Ranking the 2009 SEC Classes in 2011
(excluding re-signed players from prior classes, and players who DNQ or left the program)

# of 4/5* Players
Elite
1. Alabama - 16
2. LSU - 14
3. Georgia - 13

Good
4. South Carolina - 11
5. Florida - 10
6. Arkansas - 8

Average
7. Miss. State - 7
8. Auburn - 6
9. Ole Miss - 5
9. Tennessee - 5

Weak
11. Kentucky - 3

Poor
12. Vandy - 0
 
#56
#56
This whole thread is filled with idiots...How do you people turn a anti Kiffin topic into a F Fulmer discussion? It's over and I'm over it but, You Kiffin apologists are really getting old. No matter what Fulmer did or didn't do, he didn't do it on purpose.
 
#58
#58
The problem is, in an attempt to diss our second greatest coach (who would have had us playing in the SECCG this year), people are trying to magnify the Kiffin recruiting record.

Anyone seriously trying to rationalize or otherwise defend Kiffin's recruiting / roster policy at Tennessee should have their fan card immediately revoked. Strike that, you are too sick to be running around in civil society.

Kiffin can't hold Phil Fulmer's jock strap regarding recruiting at Tennessee. It's about the most insane argument in an argument replete with insanity.
 
#61
#61
utgibbs said:
The problem is, in an attempt to diss our second greatest coach (who would have had us playing in the SECCG this year), people are trying to magnify the Kiffin recruiting record.

Anyone seriously trying to rationalize or otherwise defend Kiffin's recruiting / roster policy at Tennessee should have their fan card immediately revoked. Strike that, you are too sick to be running around in civil society.

Kiffin can't hold Phil Fulmer's jock strap regarding recruiting at Tennessee. It's about the most insane argument in an argument replete with insanity.
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Meanwhile those propping up Fulmer are using erroneous statistics, making up records, making questionable at best claims about who recruited who, and claiming only Phil could recruit at UT, when three different coaches have produced top 10 classes in Knoxville in the last 5 years.

As far as who is the better recruiter, I can tell you that at the time Lane left, he had players committed that filled the wholes this roster obviously had in 2009 (and would have had regardless of the head coach). That's something Phil seemed to eschew in his later years in favor of signing higher rated guys at any position just to boost his Rivals class rank.

And there's quite a strong argument for Phil over the course of his long career, but in today's world, right now at this moment, Lane Kiffin is the more effective recruiter.
 
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#63
#63
utgibbs said:
The problem is, in an attempt to diss our second greatest coach (who would have had us playing in the SECCG this year), people are trying to magnify the Kiffin recruiting record.

Anyone seriously trying to rationalize or otherwise defend Kiffin's recruiting / roster policy at Tennessee should have their fan card immediately revoked. Strike that, you are too sick to be running around in civil society.

Kiffin can't hold Phil Fulmer's jock strap regarding recruiting at Tennessee. It's about the most insane argument in an argument replete with insanity.
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2010 was Urban's year, remember? Even-numbered thing? I love how you admit you're wrong on something and then go right back to spouting the same crap when you think no one will notice.
 
#64
#64
g8terh8ter_eric said:
The only one's I consider Kiffin signees are the kids that committed when he was here, no more. You can speculate all you want about other prospects, but we are just dealing with what we have here right now.
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Funny coming from the former Recruiting Mod that knows full well that there's more to it than that. I have a feeling we could hire Les Miles and you'd be all over the board telling us how eating grass is a good idea.
 
#65
#65
VKAman said:
2010 was Urban's year, remember? Even-numbered thing? I love how you admit you're wrong on something and then go right back to spouting the same crap when you think no one will notice.
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Phil had us in the SECCG every three years. DEFINITELY no evidence he would not have had us there this year. With five former Fulmer players, Dooley might have had us there.

Anyone defending the Kiffin recruiting / roster policies at Tennessee should not be running around in civil society. YOU NEED HELP.
 
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#66
#66
utgibbs said:
Phil had us in the SECCG every three years. DEFINITELY no evidence he would not have had us there this year. With five former Fulmer players, Dooley might have had us there.
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Yep. No evidence. Losing record against five SEC coaches on our schedule this year is inadmissible.
 
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kptvol said:
Yep. No evidence. Losing record against five SEC coaches on our schedule this year is inadmissible.
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Sorta like the other times he got us there. :lolabove:

Face it. The worst SECE since the conference split. Had Florida and LSU on the ropes. Hellfire, might have pulled beat Florida with just Gerald Jones on the roster. We saw how five guys turned the OSU game.

Defending Kiffin's recruiting / roster policies at Tennessee is a definitive sign you need a break from civil society.
 
#68
#68
utgibbs said:
Phil had us in the SECCG every three years. DEFINITELY no evidence he would not have had us there this year. With five former Fulmer players, Dooley might have had us there.

Anyone defending the Kiffin recruiting / roster policies at Tennessee should not be running around in civil society. YOU NEED HELP.
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utgibbs said:
Sorta like the other times he got us there. :lolabove:

Face it. The worst SECE since the conference split. Had Florida and LSU on the ropes. Hellfire, might have pulled beat Florida with just Gerald Jones on the roster. We saw how five guys turned the OSU game.

Defending Kiffin's recruiting / roster policies at Tennessee is a definitive sign you need a break from civil society.
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:umadbrah:
 
#69
#69
utgibbs said:
Sorta like the other times he got us there. :lolabove:

Face it. The worst SECE since the conference split. Had Florida and LSU on the ropes. Hellfire, might have pulled beat Florida with just Gerald Jones on the roster. We saw how five guys turned the OSU game.

Defending Kiffin's recruiting / roster policies at Tennessee is a definitive sign you need a break from civil society.
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The last time Florida lost 4 games they beat UT by 40. The two wins against Spurrier's South Carolina came due to Arian Foster fumbling ten yards forward and UT catching two TD passes that were easy INTs deflected into the air to Vol receivers. No chance we best Steve's best SC squad. The whipping UGA and Bama put on us couldn't have gotten much better with Vince Lombardi on the sidelines. That's easily enough right there to knock us out of the division race.

Wouldn't have mattered, because Fulmer would have lost so many games in 2009 he'd be canned midseason.

The five guys on the OSU roster included the #1 recruit in the nation at the most important position on the roster. The five guys you're missing from UT are at places like MTSU, Louisiana Tech, and UTC.

Kiffin recruited linemen. Fulmer for whatever reason couldn't or didn't toward the end. Thus, our current team is perhaps the thinnest in college football along the lines.
 
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#70
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utgibbs said:
Phil had us in the SECCG every three years. DEFINITELY no evidence he would not have had us there this year. With five former Fulmer players, Dooley might have had us there.

Anyone defending the Kiffin recruiting / roster policies at Tennessee should not be running around in civil society. YOU NEED HELP.
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And Urban had Florida in the SECCG every even year. We've had this discussion before.
 
#71
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VKAman said:
Funny coming from the former Recruiting Mod that knows full well that there's more to it than that. I have a feeling we could hire Les Miles and you'd be all over the board telling us how eating grass is a good idea.
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Whoever is here is who counts. There are no more people you can consider in the equation, no matter how much chatter there was about them being "silents". We have to deal with who is here, not who is elsewhere.

Also sounds like maybe you should put me on ignore, since it seems you have an issue with most of what I post. Don't worry though, I'll disappear again after NSD. :thumbsup:
 
#73
#73
utgibbs said:
The problem is, in an attempt to diss our second greatest coach (who would have had us playing in the SECCG this year), people are trying to magnify the Kiffin recruiting record.

Anyone seriously trying to rationalize or otherwise defend Kiffin's recruiting / roster policy at Tennessee should have their fan card immediately revoked. Strike that, you are too sick to be running around in civil society.

Kiffin can't hold Phil Fulmer's jock strap regarding recruiting at Tennessee. It's about the most insane argument in an argument replete with insanity.
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Likewise for anyone who can't move on from Fulmer.
 
#74
#74
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Whoever is here is who counts. There are no more people you can consider in the equation, no matter how much chatter there was about them being "silents". We have to deal with who is here, not who is elsewhere.

Also sounds like maybe you should put me on ignore, since it seems you have an issue with most of what I post. Don't worry though, I'll disappear again after NSD. :thumbsup:
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Some of them are here. I don't care that much, it's just funny to me how quickly opinions change when homerism is involved.
 
#75
#75
Volstylexx said:
you're delusional. why people hate fulmer more than they hate kiffin is beyond me and completely absurb.
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It's not about hate. I don't actually know the numbers, but i wouldn't be surprised if what I said was true, although I was actually considering Kiffin recruits that signed in 2010.
 
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