The Kiffin Effect

[tvolsfan]

The last time Florida lost 4 games they beat UT by 40. The two wins against Spurrier's South Carolina came due to Arian Foster fumbling ten yards forward and UT catching two TD passes that were easy INTs deflected into the air to Vol receivers. No chance we best Steve's best SC squad. The whipping UGA and Bama put on us couldn't have gotten much better with Vince Lombardi on the sidelines. That's easily enough right there to knock us out of the division race.

Wouldn't have mattered, because Fulmer would have lost so many games in 2009 he'd be canned midseason.

The five guys on the OSU roster included the #1 recruit in the nation at the most important position on the roster. The five guys you're missing from UT are at places like MTSU, Louisiana Tech, and UTC.

Kiffin recruited linemen. Fulmer for whatever reason couldn't or didn't toward the end. Thus, our current team is perhaps the thinnest in college football along the lines.

Most of those guys actually have the chance to end up on NFL rosters, too.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Some of them are here. I don't care that much, it's just funny to me how quickly opinions change when homerism is involved.

I'm not even being a homer, and I've taken plenty of issue with Kiffin, but I'm trying to look at things objectively with this. Kiffin had 27 kids commit to UT while he was here, no more. That's all he had, and that's all I used. Our whole roster sucks right now, depth wise at least, and even Kiffin is partly to blame for that.

 

[tvolsfan]

I'm not even being a homer, and I've taken plenty of issue with Kiffin, but I'm trying to look at things objectively with this. Kiffin had 27 kids commit to UT while he was here, no more. That's all he had, and that's all I used. Our whole roster sucks right now, depth wise at least, and even Kiffin is partly to blame for that.

Absolutely. We may have been much better off while he was here, but the minute he left, that all changed.

 

[NashVol11]

I'm not even being a homer, and I've taken plenty of issue with Kiffin, but I'm trying to look at things objectively with this. Kiffin had 27 kids commit to UT while he was here, no more. That's all he had, and that's all I used. Our whole roster sucks right now, depth wise at least, and even Kiffin is partly to blame for that.

He's to blame largely because he left and took guys like Bryce Brown with him. It's not because the staff was bad at evaluating talent or whatever you're trying to suggest.

 

[NashVol11]

Is that why he and his family said Dooley sold them on UT?

What else was he going to say as Dooley's first commit, exactly? Say that he was looking really hard at Tennessee even with Kiffin? That he really liked the track coach and that mattered more than Dooley did? Yeah, that would've gone over well.

But, if you want to see quotes like that, feel free to look up his high school coach...

Scott said many people thought the decision to leave LSU came “out of the blue,” but said Hunter has been pondering it for some time.

“He’s been open and told LSU that he visited Florida and Tennessee,” Scott said. “So he’s kind of been looking around.”

Hunter wanted to make certain he would be able to compete on the track team. LSU said he could join its team, but Hunter wasn’t so sure. When he spoke to coaches at Florida and Tennessee, they seemed much more open about the idea.

“He felt a little bit more comfortable with the jump coach at Tennessee,” Scott said. “So he’s excited about that combination there.”

 

[Hensman18]

I have a question. Why are people continuing to talk about the worthless piece of trash, Lane Kiffin? He left us high and dry and all the piece of sh@t assistants under him, to include Aaron Ausmus. Good riddance of Kiffin, and can we please leave his name off the message board.

 

[cutnitclose]

you're delusional. why people hate fulmer more than they hate kiffin is beyond me and completely absurb.

They don't hate Fulmer more... The just have a man crush on Lame & Comb over (Monte) Kitten....



I'm still trying to figure out how the 3 of them (Lame, Comb over and Yaw Yaw)didn't go undefeated with all of that talent they have out at SC..

 

[sjt18]

What else was he going to say as Dooley's first commit, exactly? Say that he was looking really hard at Tennessee even with Kiffin? That he really liked the track coach and that mattered more than Dooley did? Yeah, that would've gone over well.

All the recruits who committed after Kiffin left committed because of him and his staff, right?:disappointed:

What was he going to say? Well, just about anything but a bald faced lie including nothing but "I'm signing with Tennessee".

Your blind crush on Kiffin is truly pathetic.

But, if you want to see quotes like that, feel free to look up his high school coach...

None of those comments are contrary to what the Hunters' said about Dooley. Only in a mind determined to spin everything for Kiffin and against Dooley does that non-sense fly.

 

[utgibbs]

Our put another way...

Re-Ranking the 2009 SEC Classes in 2011
(excluding re-signed players from prior classes, and players who DNQ or left the program)

# of 4/5* Players
Elite
1. Alabama - 16
2. LSU - 14
3. Georgia - 13

Good
4. South Carolina - 11
5. Florida - 10
6. Arkansas - 8

Average
7. Miss. State - 7
8. Auburn - 6
9. Ole Miss - 5
9. Tennessee - 5

Weak
11. Kentucky - 3

Poor
12. Vandy - 0

9th in the SEC is about right for the "Kiffin class." Kiffin has produced two playmakers being mostly responsible for the last two classes. BRAVO.

Dooley found two in three weeks.

 

[Lexvol]

Fulmer left holes to fill all over the offensive line, the defensive line, the QB position and running back. Kiffin didn't exactly fill in all the gaps.

You would think most would be thankful for Bray. If he keeps his head on straight he will cure several of the Vol's recruiting ills. You simply cannot dismiss him in the overall discussion.

Fulmer is a shadow of his former self right now and I know for a fact that as early as one year ago he desperately wanted to continue coaching. I have no idea if that has changed, but he remains jobless on that front. I wish for the sake of our fanbase that someone would take a shot at him. .

Lane and Co. are hot on the recruiting trail despite current NCAA limitations. He still has a bit to prove as a head coach.

 

[justingroves]

None of those comments are contrary to what the Hunters' said about Dooley. Only in a mind determined to spin everything for Kiffin and against Dooley does that non-sense fly.

Hunter would have been a Vol regardless of who the HC of the football team was.

Dooley did a tremendous job getting Da'Rick, James Stone and Neal.

Crump and Propst both look like future starters here too.

Dooley gets all the credit for those. However, in Hunter's case, Dooley held on to him despite the change.

 

[sjt18]

Hunter would have been a Vol regardless of who the HC of the football team was.

I respect you and your opinion but you simply don't know that unless he or the family said so somewhere. I have not seen that quote. I have seen quotes from the Hunter's saying that Dooley sealed the deal for them.

 

[justingroves]

I respect you and your opinion but you simply don't know that unless he or the family said so somewhere. I have not seen that quote. I have seen quotes from the Hunter's saying that Dooley sealed the deal for them.

And what is Hunter's family going to say?

"I was coming to Tennessee regardless of who the HC was because I really want to be on the track team?"

 

[kptvol]

Not sure what the big deal is. It isn't Kiffin versus Dooley. Kiffin came into a horrible recruiting situation but was able to hang onto a lot of Fulmer's recruits and had time to add a few of his own. Dooley stepped into an even more terrible situation. He didn't have the time to pick and choose who to keep like Kiffin did with Stokes, Herbert, and Thigpen. He was forced to locate a few diamond in the rough type guys like Probst and Crump. Other than that he had to hang onto Kiffin's guys and hope they work out. Seems to be pretty good so far.

To recap, I consider 2009 to be Kiffin's attempt to modify and improve a class of Fulmer's. 2010 was the same deal with Dooley adjusting Kiffin's class, but it should be noted there were far less adjustments. 2011 is all on Dooley and appears to be rounding out nicely.
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[kptvol]

I respect you and your opinion but you simply don't know that unless he or the family said so somewhere. I have not seen that quote. I have seen quotes from the Hunter's saying that Dooley sealed the deal for them.

I'm sure he did. That doesn't mean the deal hadn't been previously sealed then unsealed when Kiffin left after promising greatness at UT then promising the same thing at USC.
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[kptvol]

9th in the SEC is about right for the "Kiffin class." Kiffin has produced two playmakers being mostly responsible for the last two classes. BRAVO.

Dooley found two in three weeks.

Those guys he "found" were scheduled for official visits before Mile Hamilton even contacted Dooley.
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[sjt18]

And what is Hunter's family going to say?

"I was coming to Tennessee regardless of who the HC was because I really want to be on the track team?"

They didn't have to say anything. They could have said we've liked UT all along and don't care that Kiffin left.

They specifically didn't have to lie.

Moreover, it isn't like he wasn't being recruited by other schools with quality track programs.

I believe that Kiffin was recruiting him hard. I think they had sold him on UT. But that whole deal collapsed the minute Kiffin stepped to the microphone to announce he was leaving.

Hunter at that point had many options to include waiting until after NSD. He had other offers. Instead, he signed with UT and specifically cited Dooley as the deal closer.

 

[sjt18]

FTR, I am not trying to take all credit away from the previous staff. If work had not been done then DD couldn't have closed like he did.

However, nothing is "in the bank" until it is. I won't give him credit for Hunter since Hunter didn't make his commitment until after he was gone. Anything Kiffin had done was set back to neutral when he left.

 

[kptvol]

I believe that Kiffin was recruiting him hard. I think they had sold him on UT. But that whole deal collapsed the minute Kiffin stepped to the microphone to announce he was leaving.
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I think that's pretty accurate.
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[Jacksonvol]

none of you guys can add

There are only 3 kinds of people in the world - those who can add and those who can't.....

 

[iuvol2012]

The problem is, in an attempt to diss our second greatest coach (who would have had us playing in the SECCG this year), people are trying to magnify the Kiffin recruiting record.

Anyone seriously trying to rationalize or otherwise defend Kiffin's recruiting / roster policy at Tennessee should have their fan card immediately revoked. Strike that, you are too sick to be running around in civil society.

Kiffin can't hold Phil Fulmer's jock strap regarding recruiting at Tennessee. It's about the most insane argument in an argument replete with insanity.

I must've missed all the great players that Fulmer was bringing in his last two years :crazy:

 

[volwarrior33]

However, nothing is "in the bank" until it is. I won't give him credit for Hunter since Hunter didn't make his commitment until after he was gone. Anything Kiffin had done was set back to neutral when he left.

Football wise, that's accurate. However, unless Tennessee's jump coach had been fired or left, Hunter wasn't going anywhere but Tennessee.