The Impeachment Thread

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BowlBrother85 said:
The political peril would be much greater from refusing to comply with subpoenas from within their own party. Not even the Nixon stooges had the balls to do that (Alexander Butterfied tried). It's the kind of thing which could really shift public favor against you.
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Social media has exposed a huge faction of mindless followers within our country. It's no longer cool to be informed, just to follow and repeat the lie of the day
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Viktor Shokin wasn't just lax in terms of Burisma Holdings. The fact is, that in the cesspool of the Ukraine, Shokin had failed to obtain a conviction of any major political figures. No oligarchs, no bureaucrats, nobody. He wasn't prosecuting corruption, he was a party to it. The Republican narrative, that Shokin was Elliot Ness trying to bring down Capone, is lazy and inaccurate.
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The Obama WH contention was not that Shokin was lax, but *corrupt*; which one is it? Shokin has since sworn affidavit that he was investigating Burisma and that interviewing Biden was certainly an element of it. That he was expressly told he was being fired because he would not forgo that investigation.

No political or media talking head knows what happened re: Shokin. There is testimony both supporting and denying his affidavit. I'll wait for Durham to get around to that.
 
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NCFisher said:
The Obama WH contention was not that Shokin was lax, but *corrupt*; which one is it? Shokin has since sworn affidavit that he was investigating Burisma and that interviewing Biden was certainly an element of it. That he was expressly told he was being fired because he would not forgo that investigation.

No political or media talking head knows what happened re: Shokin. There is testimony both supporting and denying his affidavit. I'll wait for Durham to get around to that.
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You can be both when it comes to prosecuting corruption. Shokin is not the least bit credible. It makes sense that he would approve of the Republican Party narrative that he was a crusader for justice. The entire European Union had been pushing for Shokin's ouster. There is no question about that.
 
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hog88 said:
So we've moved on from being a traitor who's polices benefit Russia to "he's just not a good leader"?
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Haven't moved on from anything. It was a response to someone else's opinion. He's still a traitor and always will be. He's also a poor leader. Sorry. You had to already know these facts, right?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The political peril would be much greater from refusing to comply with subpoenas from within their own party. Not even the Nixon stooges had the balls to do that (Alexander Butterfied tried). It's the kind of thing which could really shift public favor against you.
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What about Tump supporters makes you think they care about the optics?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can be both when it comes to prosecuting corruption. Shokin is not the least bit credible. It makes sense that he would approve of the Republican Party narrative that he was a crusader for justice. The entire European Union had been pushing for Shokin's ouster. There is no question about that.
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No corruption in that organization.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Haven't moved on from anything. It was a response to someone else's opinion. He's still a traitor and always will be. He's also a poor leader. Sorry. You had to already know these facts, right?
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You have yet to demonstrate how he is a traitor. Something specific please.

Also while you're at it are you ever going to let us know what it takes to be a patriot in your opinion?
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
I'm specifically and factually speaking of those that wear the red MAGA hats and the fringes from both sides of the aisle
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And I'm specifically and factually speaking about those that call people traitors, make claims about policies benefiting our adversaries and judge other peoples patriotism while NEVER giving 1 example of anything.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can be both when it comes to prosecuting corruption. Shokin is not the least bit credible. It makes sense that he would approve of the Republican Party narrative that he was a crusader for justice. The entire European Union had been pushing for Shokin's ouster. There is no question about that.
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Did Shokin's replacement ever reopen the investigation into Burisma?
Do you think Burisma is involved in corruption? Obviously they were under scrutiny at one time.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Yes it is, but he's both. You asked for specific examples. Taking Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies could certainly be considered an act of treason. Especially when the evidence already pointed to Russia and then was proven multiple times. Taking foreign policy stances that benefit Russia are acts of treason as well. We'll see what comes out after his time is done, whether it is next year or 2024
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Utter nonsense, both in premise and in fact. Trump admitted Russia interfered in the election, in Jan. 2017 before his inauguration. The same CIA, FBI and DOJ falsely and without basis also accused him of Russian conspiracy and treason. As Barr and Horowitz have stated, they never gave him a defensive briefing when this was going on - never mind the Obama WH did nothing to derail the interference - as they did Clinton; that is not just customary, but required.
The second bold comment is also nonsense in premise and fact. Did Obama "benefit" Iran? Are they an enemy? Was being more flexible after his election by denying Russia-facing missile defense systems to Poland and Czech Republic, "treasonous"? Denying lethal defense arms to Ukraine - was that treasonous or are you making the case these things didn't benefit Russia??

And in fact and in actions, no one since Reagan has take a stick to Russia like Trump has.

You haven't thought this through.
 
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NCFisher said:
Utter nonsense, both in premise and in fact. Trump admitted Russia interfered in the election, in Jan. 2017 before his inauguration. The same CIA, FBI and DOJ falsely and without basis also accused him of Russian conspiracy and treason. As Barr and Horowitz have stated, they never gave him a defensive briefing when this was going on - never mind the Obama WH did nothing to derail the interference - as they did Clinton; that is not just customary, but required.
The second bold comment is also nonsense in premise and fact. Did Obama "benefit" Iran? Are they an enemy? Was being more flexible after his election by denying Russia-facing missile defense systems to Poland and Czech Republic, "treasonous"? Denying lethal defense arms to Ukraine - was that treasonous or are you making the case these things didn't benefit Russia??

And in fact and in actions, no one since Reagan has take a stick to Russia like Trump has.

You haven't thought this through.
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That's all of his posts in a nutshell.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
When someone asks, "What has Trump done to help Russia?", I can't come up with anything but what I posted. It was directed to someone specific other than you, unless of course, you don't know either
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So you have nothing... in other words. Except orange man bad.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
Yes it is, but he's both. You asked for specific examples. Taking Putin's word over his own intelligence agencies could certainly be considered an act of treason. Especially when the evidence already pointed to Russia and then was proven multiple times. Taking foreign policy stances that benefit Russia are acts of treason as well. We'll see what comes out after his time is done, whether it is next year or 2024
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Wow. Straight from the lamest impeachment in history straight to treason. You must really hate this country.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You can be both when it comes to prosecuting corruption. Shokin is not the least bit credible. It makes sense that he would approve of the Republican Party narrative that he was a crusader for justice. The entire European Union had been pushing for Shokin's ouster. There is no question about that.
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You have no idea, zilch, whether Shokin is credible. You're parroting an unproven meme.

Yeah, and the entire U.S. media, Democrat party, FBI, CIA, and Intel said Trump conspired with Russia until they couldn't say it any longer. But hey! - you probably have this right.
Again, until Shokin's assertion and those who support his account are disproven, you're simply moving your lips.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
She is doing it because she would like to see some witnesses called during the Senate trial. Specifically, she wants to hear from John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney and Mike Pompeo. It's no less shameful than what Trump was trying to do. It's politics in the USA.
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And you're losing.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Did Shokin's replacement ever reopen the investigation into Burisma?
Do you think Burisma is involved in corruption? Obviously they were under scrutiny at one time.
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Per Reuter's:

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Minister of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

"Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bueau's) investigation," the bureau's statement said.

Hunter Biden was a director on Burisma's board from 2014-2018, according to documents filed by the company in Cyprus, where it is registered.

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In other words, the investigation currently underway would not involve Hunter Biden.
 
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USAFgolferVol said:
The rationalizations from you Trumpers have to be at an all time high. Trump's has done very little to signify he's a good leader. Most of his actions and words signify he isn't anything close to a good leader. To be more accurate, they represent the exact opposite of a good leader
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Diverting from the points isn't a good look. Batting. 000.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It is a mistake to completely dismiss what the polls are saying and they have been very consistent that Biden has a comfortable lead. I really think that the Ukraine story has helped Biden with some Democrats. It's clear that Trump would rather face Liz or Bernie. He never attacks them anymore. When was the last time we heard a "Pocahontas" or "Crazy Bernie" dig? Trump and Giuliani have been busting their asses to find dirt on one candidate. That only serves to feed into the perception among Democrats that Biden is the most electable.
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Attention Democrats...
National polls mean squat. Check Crooked Hillary in 16. Trump will get to 270 again and the Dems will cry foul and blame someone else for their loss. It's the blue print laid out by Algore in 2000. Is Stacy Abrams still looking for votes in GA?
 
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