The Impeachment Thread

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From Christianity Today.....

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

From the religious right......step in the right direction. Kudos to them for actually having integrity.
 
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His Twitter feed alone—with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders—is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.
 
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Septic said:
Sorry.... Unbiased and then justified.

Everybody's a expert on the IG report. Sheesh.
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“It’s unclear what the motivations [of the FBI] were. On the one hand, gross incompetence, negligence? On the other hand, intentionality, and where in between? We weren’t in a position—with the evidence we had—to make that conclusion. But I’m not ruling it out.” - Horowitz

SEN. Crapo: If someone were to characterize what you are telling us to be—that you’re telling us there is no bias here—that’s not what you’re telling us?
Horowitz: That is not—as to the operation of these FISAs—what I’m telling you.​

“There is such a range of conduct here that is inexplicable and the answers we got were not satisfactory, that we’re left trying to understand how could all these errors have occurred over a nine month period or so, among three teams—hand-picked—the highest profile case in the FBI, going to the very top of the organization, involving a presidential campaign.” - Horowitz

SEN. Cruz: “A lawyer at the FBI creates fraudulent evidence, alters an email that is in turn used as the basis for a sworn statement to the [FISA] court that the court relies on. Am I stating that accurately?”
Horowitz: “That’s correct. That is what occurred.”​
 
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None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.

Wow........finally.
 
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Please let this be the ammonia capsule under the collective noses of Trumpers.

They have to regain consciousness at some point.
 
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luthervol said:
From Christianity Today.....

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

From the religious right......step in the right direction. Kudos to them for actually having integrity.
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After his comments last night and the brutal treatment of the Congressman's grieving wife, it is quite obvious that he was being vindictive because he thought he "did her a favor", by flying flags at half staff, and she still voted for impeachment.

After that cruel behavior, which shows his true nature and morality, can anyone really believe no Quid Pro quo?
 
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Septic said:
Slow down champ, you're rambling about stuff I have not commented on.

If you want to address what I've stated, then by all means do so. Best practice here is to address the point I made, not the argument you want me to have. Strawman arguments are a dime a dozen around here, you aren't clever enough to sneak one in on me without it being noticed.

Now back to my point, if you can cite a single U.S. intelligence agency, just one, not named the White House that doesn't agree that Russia interfered in the election (and continues to do so) - I'd welcome the correction. But spare us your bellyaching of the FBI. They weren't the only one, the ODNI, CIA, NSA ,DOJ (trumps DOJ), the Senate intelligence committee and the House intelligence committee have capitulated it to be the case. Further, steer clear of trying to smuggle in the results of an unrelated IG report on FISA abuse as a crutch to shore up a bad argument - it's not relevant.

If you're going to continue to conflate every inference of the term "Russia" with the media's cries of "collusion," you're barking up the wrong tree. I've never believed there was collusion, but there was and still is interference - as I stated, it's not debatable.

Lastly, the word is conflate not collate, ya goof.
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Neither myself or the other poster contended there wasn't Russian interference. It's two separate things: Russian election interference, and "Russia BS", the proposition that Trump conspired with Russian to interfere. Two separate concerns in Mueller's SC order. There is no straw man; I specifically addressed your post - it is NOT "debatable" whether Trump conspired with Russian interference. He/the campaign DID NOT. I can't be shoring up a bad argument that only exists in your head.

Collation is attempting to combine things into a logical, orderly whole. Like Russian interference and imaginary coordination/conspiracy links to weave into an impeachable offense. DOJ's appointment letter of Mueller collated those two things as his charge.

But stick around in case I don't have a dictionary later.
 
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hog88 said:
No, none of the witnesses the Rs requested were allowed to testify.
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Who wasn't allowed to testify? Barron and Melania. If you're talking about Hunter and the whistleblower you know that is just a stunt. Biden wouldn't know what the Prez was up to and they just want to expose the whistle blower and all could say anyway is that yeah, I reported the phone conversation.
 
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luthervol said:
From Christianity Today.....

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

From the religious right......step in the right direction. Kudos to them for actually having integrity.
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The article has it all wrong. Biden already discredited himself.
 
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luthervol said:
From Christianity Today.....

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

From the religious right......step in the right direction. Kudos to them for actually having integrity.
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Who cares what an Angelican from California thinks? Trump is flawed as all humans are. Doesn’t mean this guy speaks for Christianity
 
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luthervol said:
From Christianity Today.....

Trump Should Be Removed from Office

But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents. That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.

From the religious right......step in the right direction. Kudos to them for actually having integrity.
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Wow. I'm in shock... am I really looking at the perspective of an evangelical which isn't completely motivated by politics, but rather by a stance on moral values?
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Who wasn't allowed to testify? Barron and Melania. If you're talking about Hunter and the whistleblower you know that is just a stunt. Biden wouldn't know what the Prez was up to and they just want to expose the whistle blower and all could say anyway is that yeah, I reported the phone conversation.
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No stunts by the Democrats, though, right?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Who cares what an Angelican from California thinks? Trump is flawed as all humans are. Doesn’t mean this guy speaks for Christianity
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No one living person speaks for an entire religion. However, it is completely fair to judge the character of Donald Trump by his actions as President. Not all humans are as flawed as Trump. He is a uniquely egocentric and self-absorbed person who doesn't appear to be anchored to any set of moral values.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course the timing matters. He had no choice but to deny it.
He also said he had no idea about pay offs to Stormy Daniels.
He also said he knew nothing about a hotel meeting.
He also said he had no business dealings with Russia.
If you're hanging any part of your hat on Trump's history of truthfulness, you know it's going to end up on the ground.
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Again, it doesn't matter at all when he said it, but whether it was true.
NDA and none of yours or anyone else business; utterly unimportant.
We have M. Cohen's word on that; good luck with that.
What business interests does he hold in Russia; I'll wait.

On the things that matter - such as no collusion/conspiracy - we know that Trump was truthful and EVERYONE on your side of the aisle was not. We know John Brennan was not. James Comey was not. We know FBI counsel falsified documents and information for FISA warrants. We know the Ukraine impeachment is based upon opinions and assumptions of bureaucrats and media, and corrupt House Democrats who began impeachment 2-1/2 years ago according to majority leader.

But yeah, "hey, you may just be right THIS TIME!"
 
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