The Impeachment Thread

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#28,151
RockyTop85 said:
I see what you’re saying but:

The investigations were beneficial to Trump.
There was an effort to leverage investigations.
The effort was advanced by Giuliani.
Giuliani admits he wanted Joe investigated.
Trump tells Sondland to talk to Giuliani.
Giuliani enlisted Sondland to help.
Pretty sure Sondland admits he delivered QPQ regarding WH visit.
WH visit can only be held up by Trump or Mulvaney.
The aid gets held up.
Trump or Mulvaney has to order the aid held up.
Sondland believes the aid was withheld to leverage investigations.
Trump asks Zelensky for the investigations.
Trump tells Zelensky to talk to Rudy.
Sondland tells Ukraine no investigations likely = no aid.

Goldman said it the other day: every day, Juries are told to use their common sense to draw inferences. He’s right. It’s in the TN pattern jury instructions. It’s in the federal jury instructions.

You have to suspend common sense to believe that Trump wasn’t elbow deep in this.
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This is the best post in this entire thread for the cause of impeachment and it is 100% accurate.
 
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#28,153
0nelilreb said:
I already knew this . What I wasn’t prepared for was the depths at which you were prepared to go to see it happen . I never thought you’d be ok with the idea of an extremely well funded government law enforcement agency holding out an “ insurance policy “ to keep a duly elected president from taking office . That’s some J. Edgar stuff right there . I would naturally assume ( I know what that gets me ) that a highly educated person such as yourself would have read enough world history to understand just how bad of a ideology that is when the IC’s , law enforcement and all their powers become political and weaponized like that .
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That's not what they did.
I guess our next discussion would have to be on the concept of duly elected.
If someone is hired based on a fraudulent resume, who is at fault?
The employer for not being more thorough in their investigation, the person who lied on their resume, or a combination?
Who is most at fault?
If the IC, during their appropriate investigation, concludes that the candidate's "resume" is fraudulent, what should they do?
If the public elects a candidate based on a fraudulent resume, is the person still duly elected?
 
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#28,156
luthervol said:
That's not what they did.
I guess our next discussion would have to be on the concept of duly elected.
If someone is hired based on a fraudulent resume, who is at fault?
The employer for not being more thorough in their investigation, the person who lied on their resume, or a combination?
Who is most at fault?
If the IC, during their appropriate investigation, concludes that the candidate's "resume" is fraudulent, what should they do?
If the public elects a candidate based on a fraudulent resume, is the person still duly elected?
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Deflect . Your comment was that you wish they had an insurance policy on him , you prefaced by saying “ i know this won’t go over well “ you already knew what was coming As soon as you said it . Like I said that’s some J. Edgar stuff . I don’t know which is worse , you being ok with our IC being politicized and weaponized or the lackeys that normally give you likes staying silent on it . I see the spin and it’s not working this time , you stepped in a big pile of ....the ends justifying the means , for the good of society .
 
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luthervol said:
The biggest differences are that Trump is doing it purely for self benefit, and he is not using it as an insurance policy after the fact, he is doing it to cheat before the fact.
Trump's abuse is far worse.
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What does that even mean... 'self benefit'?
 
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newyorkvol said:
That’s exactly my point. You have to suspend common sense to believe he wasn’t involved. And separate but equally you have to suspend common sense to believe trump campaign investigation wasn’t politically motivated per IG report.

Both sides selectively bury their head to the obvious. All these shenanigans are only revealing the top of the corrupt iceberg that is our political class.
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I haven’t read the Horowitz report, and I’m not sure if I’m going to read the whole thing.

So, you may be 100% right and it’s obviously totally predicated on their political interest and I’m just under informed about that. From what I’ve seen so far, I assume the lack of a firm conclusion on that issue is to allow for the possibility that they “knew” they were right and cooked the books to try to keep going until they found the proof, which is common among law enforcement.
 
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Classy



Same douchebag last week:

"When you invoke the president’s son’s name here, when you try to make a little joke referencing Barron Trump, that does not lend credibility to your argument. That makes you look mean."
 
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0nelilreb said:
Deflect . Your comment was that you wish they had an insurance policy on him , you prefaced by saying “ i know this won’t go over well “ you already knew what was coming As soon as you said it . Like I said that’s some J. Edgar stuff . I don’t know which is worse , you being ok with our IC being politicized and weaponized or the lackeys that normally give you likes staying silent on it . I see the spin and it’s not working this time , you stepped in a big pile of ....the ends justifying the means , for the good of society .
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LOL...and I was obviouly 100% correct.
I knew what kind of conclusions you guys would jump to and how distorted the comment would become in your minds.
I don't think the IC was being politicized or weaponized nearly to the degree you seem to think.
An insurance policy was more than justified, anything short would have been a dereliction of duty.
I think for the most part the IC was operating exactly as it should under such a catastrophic anomaly.
I'll continue to add for those of you with selective memory, I've always stated "legal". If someone broke the law; charge him, try him, convict him, and punish him.
Watching you guys' reactions was entertaining even though completely predictable.
 
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#28,168
Trump needs to ask Ukraine for the RNC server as well.

As the CIA concludes that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the presidential election, intelligence officials have released one more intriguing detail: Russian hackers had dirt on the Republican National Committee but never released it, according to a new report. A senior administration official said, “We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the Republicans, according to the New York Times. Officials said the hacks into the Republican committee took place in the spring, at the same time emails from the Democratic National Committee were stolen by hackers thought to be connected to Russian intelligence. It’s unclear what kind of information was stolen from the RNC, and how much of it, just as the motive is unknown.

Report: Russian Hackers Had RNC Data But Didn't Release It

Mueller All but Ignores the Other Russian Hack Target: the GOP | RealClearInvestigations
 
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evillawyer said:
Classy



Same douchebag last week:

"When you invoke the president’s son’s name here, when you try to make a little joke referencing Barron Trump, that does not lend credibility to your argument. That makes you look mean."
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Attacking a 50 year old who has injected himself into these discussions-off limits
Going after a 13 year old because he's Trump kid-just fine

Liberal logic
 
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Mick said:
Trump needs to ask Ukraine for the RNC server as well.

As the CIA concludes that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the presidential election, intelligence officials have released one more intriguing detail: Russian hackers had dirt on the Republican National Committee but never released it, according to a new report. A senior administration official said, “We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the Republicans, according to the New York Times. Officials said the hacks into the Republican committee took place in the spring, at the same time emails from the Democratic National Committee were stolen by hackers thought to be connected to Russian intelligence. It’s unclear what kind of information was stolen from the RNC, and how much of it, just as the motive is unknown.

Report: Russian Hackers Had RNC Data But Didn't Release It

Mueller All but Ignores the Other Russian Hack Target: the GOP | RealClearInvestigations
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What if the RNC didnt have anything of value on it?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
deflection. But not surprising coming from you.
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What Matt Gaetz was doing was deflection. Yes, Hunter Biden has had issues with a cocaine addiction and simple possession. It's also true that Matt Gaetz was arrested for DUI in Florida in October of 2008. Both of those are facts and they are also both irrelevant to this impeachment hearing. However, if you are going to act holier-than-thou and throw shade at someone, you had better be prepared for some scrutiny into your own past. Gaetz is nobody to be talking about someone else's troubles with the law.
 
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utvols88 said:
Before the whataboutisms...

I do not condone Trump tweeting about Greta. At all.
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Why not? She has inserted herself (rather her POS parents did) into international politics. She doesn't get a pass because of age or autism or any of that. If she wants to play the game, she best be ready to be hit in the mouth.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What Matt Gaetz was doing was deflection. Yes, Hunter Biden has had issues with a cocaine addiction and simple possession. It's also true that Matt Gaetz was arrested for DUI in Florida in October of 2008. Both of those are facts and they are also both irrelevant to this impeachment hearing. However, if you are going to act holier-than-thou and throw shade at someone, you had better be prepared for some scrutiny into your own past. Gaetz is nobody to be talking about someone else's troubles with the law.
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lol.
 
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