The Impeachment Thread

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#24,251
Hunerwadel said:
I'm running out of triggers.
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Here's one.

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0nelilreb said:
That’s a nice spin except for a special prosecutor that was appointed with the entire weight of the government behind him . Civility always takes a hit when society is perceived to be pulled too far left or right . When a Dem holds the office again , I have a feeling it’s going to be a very trying experience unless they hold both the house and senate . There will be lawsuits for ever action taken , just like the left has done with Trump .
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the entire weight of the government behind him ? You’re not going to make it as a stand up comic. I could have sworn I heard the Dear Leader say witch hunt and all his cuck sockers Cummin with the same distraction
 
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GVF said:
Nope, neither. Just don't agree with your anti-Trump anything rhetoric. If you think in anyway that Trump has no game at all in the continued growth of the economy, and continued decline in unemployment which hit its lowest since 2000 under Trump, then you are clearly partisan. It may have began under Obama, noted and credit that, but under Trump it has continued to outperform. He's had more than enough time to kill it.

Bush's second term can be credited to the home loan market primarily. That cost me a nice job. Whether that's his fault or not, that bubble grew for quite a while before it popped.
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I didn't trash trump on the economy, quite the opposite (I pointed out he improved on it) - I simply pointed out that he's not responsible for it's improvement since it started in 2009. He's simply managed to not fuq up what his predecessor started, this, despite his trade war.

The only partisanship exhibited in our dialogue is by you, refusing to acknowledge Obama's contribution and instead trying to give it to Bush, which is breathtakingly nonsensical.
 
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luthervol said:
Excuse and normalize.....you can't even condemn Trump when he is obviously deserving. You sold out your credibility long ago and continue to do so, along with most all of the trumpers.
Carry on, back at you.
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It was the obvious time to condemn Lincoln though.
 
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GVF said:
How's the economy, jobs, and taxes...dolt.
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Economy strong until the $1trillion loss of the Trump tax cut hits and the economy tanks and unemployment mushrooms

2007/2008 will repeat and this time it will be worse - - deeper, longer and further reaching

The Reagan and Bush Tax Cuts caused 2007/2008. The next one will be laid at the feet of the sh!tt!er negotiator of all time. You know that Lyin’ thievin’ corrupt summnab!tch not sleeping with Melania. This LOSER can’t even get lucky. LOL
 
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PointGuard said:
Economy strong until the $1trillion loss of the Trump tax cut hits and the economy tanks and unemployment mushrooms

2007/2008 will repeat and this time it will be worse - - deeper, longer and further reaching

The Reagan and Bush Tax Cuts caused 2007/2008. The next one will be laid at the feet of the sh!tt!er negotiator of all time. You know that Lyin’ thievin’ corrupt summnab!tch not sleeping with Melania. This LOSER can’t even get lucky. LOL
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Do you really believe that the tax cuts caused the recession?
 
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PointGuard said:
Economy strong until the $1trillion loss of the Trump tax cut hits and the economy tanks and unemployment mushrooms

2007/2008 will repeat and this time it will be worse - - deeper, longer and further reaching

The Reagan and Bush Tax Cuts caused 2007/2008. The next one will be laid at the feet of the sh!tt!er negotiator of all time. You know that Lyin’ thievin’ corrupt summnab!tch not sleeping with Melania. This LOSER can’t even get lucky. LOL
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The tax cuts never caused a recession and job loss. Get out of here with that nonsense.
 
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PointGuard said:
Economy strong until the $1trillion loss of the Trump tax cut hits and the economy tanks and unemployment mushrooms

2007/2008 will repeat and this time it will be worse - - deeper, longer and further reaching

The Reagan and Bush Tax Cuts caused 2007/2008. The next one will be laid at the feet of the sh!tt!er negotiator of all time. You know that Lyin’ thievin’ corrupt summnab!tch not sleeping with Melania. This LOSER can’t even get lucky. LOL
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I maintain there is a deal in place. She agrees to stay with him through his time in office then they divorce and she get like $50 million or so.
 
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GVF said:
For what? Nevermind, I get it? You're thanking Obama cause his 8 years expired and the economy went up just cause he finally got the he** outta town. And up to that $15M mansion where income equality abounds.
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If only the right to free speech mandated the speech has to be right. Imagine a discussion forum with no right wing posts LOL
 
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PointGuard said:
Economy strong until the $1trillion loss of the Trump tax cut hits and the economy tanks and unemployment mushrooms

2007/2008 will repeat and this time it will be worse - - deeper, longer and further reaching

The Reagan and Bush Tax Cuts caused 2007/2008. The next one will be laid at the feet of the sh!tt!er negotiator of all time. You know that Lyin’ thievin’ corrupt summnab!tch not sleeping with Melania. This LOSER can’t even get lucky. LOL
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Remains to be seen. Time will tell, of course. Most administrations cannot be blamed (or maybe credited even) fully for current conditions. Trump can either aid/improve or damage what is going on, but is not solely credible. Most market conditions are a by product of things set in motion earlier that have to incubate.

I'm more inclined to believe that the housing lenders had a bigger part in 2007/2008 than tax cuts.

The deficit has exponentially grown to grotesque numbers since Clinton. The one thing Clinton can be credited for is a surplus budget. If the economy downturns, it will not be the fault of Trumps tax cuts. There is more than enough bull**** fluff in the budget, if there really is one, to reduce the deficit without raising taxes. The culprits for the deficit....Two Bushes and an Obama. And Trump hasn't thwarted that trend. So, in the end, if he doesn't set anything in place to reverse the deficit trend, then you may be right down the road. without offsets, then I can see tax cuts being credibly damaging.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Do you really believe that the tax cuts caused the recession?
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The tax cuts caused the collapse of M1 and M2 money supply which caused the recession which coincided with the collapse first of Lehman Brothers and almost simultaneously all other big investment banks and banks. First time ever investment banks were bailed out under the FDIC. This coupled with credit default swaps. Housing was the driver of the economy then and new houses had to be built and sold

Fast Fact: the wealthiest people don’t spend their tax cuts/refund checks like those living from pay Check to pay check. They invest in more tax deferred investments

If you earn 99,999 from dividends and capital gains in 2019 you pay $0 in FIT
 
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GVF said:
Remains to be seen. Time will tell, of course. Most administrations cannot be blamed (or maybe credited even) fully for current conditions. Trump can either aid/improve or damage what is going on, but is not solely credible. Most market conditions are a by product of things set in motion earlier that have to incubate.

I'm more inclined to believe that the housing lenders had a bigger part in 2007/2008 than tax cuts.

The deficit has exponentially grown to grotesque numbers since Clinton. The one thing Clinton can be credited for is a surplus budget. If the economy downturns, it will not be the fault of Trumps tax cuts. There is more than enough bull**** fluff in the budget, if there really is one, to reduce the deficit without raising taxes. The culprits for the deficit....Two Bushes and an Obama. And Trump hasn't thwarted that trend.
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Key manufacturing index contracts for the fourth straight month

The ISM's November manufacturing report released Monday contracted for the fourth straight month.
Why it matters: It's an unexpected decline as most industry watchers expected the reading to rise. Surveys have shown manufacturing output declining for more than a year.
  • The ISM index sits at 48.1 for November. Anything under 50 on the reading indicates that manufacturing activity is declining.
  • Manufacturing has added just 2,000 net jobs in 2019, Barron's notes. That's due not only to a slowing pace of job growth from 2018's 264,000 manufacturing jobs added, but also to net job losses the past two months, including 36,000 net job losses in October.
 
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GVF said:
Remains to be seen. Time will tell, of course. Most administrations cannot be blamed (or maybe credited even) fully for current conditions. Trump can either aid/improve or damage what is going on, but is not solely credible. Most market conditions are a by product of things set in motion earlier that have to incubate.

I'm more inclined to believe that the housing lenders had a bigger part in 2007/2008 than tax cuts.

The deficit has exponentially grown to grotesque numbers since Clinton. The one thing Clinton can be credited for is a surplus budget. If the economy downturns, it will not be the fault of Trumps tax cuts. There is more than enough bull**** fluff in the budget, if there really is one, to reduce the deficit without raising taxes. The culprits for the deficit....Two Bushes and an Obama. And Trump hasn't thwarted that trend. So, in the end, if he doesn't set anything in place to reverse the deficit trend, then you may be right down the road. without offsets, then I can see tax cuts being credibly damaging.
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See my other post

The housing bubble burst was a consequence of the failing economy and a contributor to its breadth but it was not its cause. Money flow came to a halt. The ripple effect was massive and instantaneous. Businesses with cooked books couldn’t cope

The next one will be worse. Far worse
 
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Mick said:
Key manufacturing index contracts for the fourth straight month

The ISM's November manufacturing report released Monday contracted for the fourth straight month.
Why it matters: It's an unexpected decline as most industry watchers expected the reading to rise. Surveys have shown manufacturing output declining for more than a year.
  • The ISM index sits at 48.1 for November. Anything under 50 on the reading indicates that manufacturing activity is declining.
  • Manufacturing has added just 2,000 net jobs in 2019, Barron's notes. That's due not only to a slowing pace of job growth from 2018's 264,000 manufacturing jobs added, but also to net job losses the past two months, including 36,000 net job losses in October.
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No doubt. I've been in manufacturing for 27 years. Should have bailed and made a career swap years ago. NAFTA sent my textile career out of the US. And it has been a rocky ride in automotive, aerospace, and construction since. But, my point is the decisions of the past that set things in motion for the future. We see that coming to pass in all aspects of life. While Clinton did leave a surplus budget, his NAFTA legacy decimated US manufacturing. I hope Trump, and whoever else, continue the effort to bring that back to the US. I am a firm believer that a solid manufacturing base is the backbone of a sustained economy. (Not a service based economy that employs telephone people overseas you cannot understand.) I applaud the administration for adding jobs. the ones added are needed and do help. But, it is short lived without the proper manufacturing growth and jobs.

I'm not sure what your point was, but as a manufacturing manager by trade, I'll roll with it because I continue to live through its uncertainties.
 
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PointGuard said:
The tax cuts caused the collapse of M1 and M2 money supply which caused the recession which coincided with the collapse first of Lehman Brothers and almost simultaneously all other big investment banks and banks. First time ever investment banks were bailed out under the FDIC. This coupled with credit default swaps. Housing was the driver of the economy then and new houses had to be built and sold

Fast Fact: the wealthiest people don’t spend their tax cuts/refund checks like those living from pay Check to pay check. They invest in more tax deferred investments

If you earn 99,999 from dividends and capital gains in 2019 you pay $0 in FIT
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How can you write something that is that fancy and still be full of s*#t.
 
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PointGuard said:
See my other post

The housing bubble burst was a consequence of the failing economy and a contributor to its breadth but it was not its cause. Money flow came to a halt. The ripple effect was massive and instantaneous. Businesses with cooked books couldn’t cope

The next one will be worse. Far worse
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I wouldn't disagree. I lived that bust on two fronts back then. And the US has never fully recovered. Or recovered in areas that can't sustain without manufacturing, and that is the flat liner.

Editorial addition...Neither Democrat nor Republican has fixed.
 
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