The Impeachment Thread

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GVF said:
No doubt. I've been in manufacturing for 27 years. Should have bailed and made a career swap years ago. NAFTA sent my textile career out of the US. And it has been a rocky ride in automotive, aerospace, and construction since. But, my point is the decisions of the past that set things in motion for the future. We see that coming to pass in all aspects of life. While Clinton did leave a surplus budget, his NAFTA legacy decimated US manufacturing. I hope Trump, and whoever else, continue the effort to bring that back to the US. I am a firm believer that a solid manufacturing base is the backbone of a sustained economy. (Not a service based economy that employs telephone people overseas you cannot understand.) I applaud the administration for adding jobs. the ones added are needed and do help. But, it is short lived without the proper manufacturing growth and jobs.

I'm not sure what your point was, but as a manufacturing manager by trade, I'll roll with it because I continue to live through its uncertainties.
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North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia

The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. President Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign. After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA. Each submitted the agreement for ratification in their respective capitals in December 1992, but NAFTA faced significant opposition in both the United States and Canada. All three countries ratified NAFTA in 1993 after the addition of two side agreements, the North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation (NAALC) and the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC).
 
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Velo Vol said:
Why?
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Because the piper has to be paid or everything defaults. Obama’s actions as designed by Guthner et al didn’t fix the underlying problem they staved off further collapse. It was a comparative band aid

The U.S. government is bankrupt as are many state governments

Many of the world’s governments are banrupt

Everything is propped up. Pull out a leg that is the “propper upper” and it all falls down

Last go around the banks had to call in loans from “good borrowers” to raise cash to prevent themselves from failing. So the government printed more money to keep it all afloat

This time it will likely all fall. If that happens it is my belief that supplies (food water) will diminish to the point of chaotic civil unrest workdwide

That is the short answer
 
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Mick said:
He needs to quit complaining and send his lawyers. His supporters are already pissed that it's taken the Dems this long to impeach. I've already head that talking point today.
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💩 in one hand and want his lawyers with the other. Tell me which fills up first.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
How can you write something that is that fancy and still be full of s*#t.
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I’ll take your reply to mean you have no clue. Likewise to your “likers”

I have no pride about being right. I wish I wasn’t because ther is going to be hell to pay next time around. Like everything else Trump has no clue. Obama knew he didn’t know and found people who tried. It wasn’t perfect. It worked

Trump doesn’t know he doesn’t know.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
💩 in one hand and want his lawyers with the other. Tell me which fills up first.
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I don't think that anyone really cares if he doesn't send his lawyers, but if he doesn't and keeps bitching about how how it's all just so unfair - it will continue to ring hollow. We all know why he's not, he's hoping his fans are too stupid to realize that he's ducking - in that respect - so far, so good.
 
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Does anyone expect the political-daytime-soap-opera currently performing to have any impact on the upcoming presidential election?
 
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Septic said:
I don't think that anyone really cares if he doesn't send his lawyers, but if he doesn't and keeps bitching about how how it's all just so unfair - it will continue to ring hollow. We all know why he's not, he's hoping his fans are too stupid to realize that he's ducking - in that respect - so far, so good.
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Trump will not send his lawyers and will turn his Bitcin ’ car down another road. And like all the other times in the past where no one called him out on it he won’t be called on it now either
 
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McDad said:
Does anyone expect the political-daytime-soap-opera currently performing to have any impact on the upcoming presidential election?
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Nah, people who aren't voting him aren't going to vote harder against him and those who don't g.a.s. or see this as libtard mania, would vote for him even if his chief of staff admitted to it.
 
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Septic said:
Nah, people who aren't voting him aren't going to vote harder against him and those who don't g.a.s. or see this as libtard mania, would vote for him even if his chief of staff admitted to it.
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His chief of staff did admit to it. But the right didn’t see it didn’t hear it so you can’t count it
 
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0nelilreb said:
So nothing from you about the all talk no action for three years ? Nothing about how the left can’t do anything about “ the worst president ever “?
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I've always been more amazed and surprised by the no action for three years from the right about "the worst president ever."
I never dreamed the right would be so willingly complicit. Maybe 5%, but never 36%.
 
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Mick said:
North American Free Trade Agreement - Wikipedia

The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. President Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign. After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA. Each submitted the agreement for ratification in their respective capitals in December 1992, but NAFTA faced significant opposition in both the United States and Canada. All three countries ratified NAFTA in 1993 after the addition of two side agreements, the North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation (NAALC) and the North American Agreement on Environmental Cooperation (NAAEC).
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Wonder what changed from its inception that made it suck so bad by 1993. After 13 years of deliberation, I'm sure it was still representative of it's original intent.
 
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GVF said:
Wonder what changed from its inception that made it suck so bad by 1993. After 13 years of deliberation, I'm sure it was still representative of it's original intent.
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Maybe you should dig into the NAALC and NAAEC and get back with us.
 
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PointGuard said:
I’ll take your reply to mean you have no clue. Likewise to your “likers”

I have no pride about being right. I wish I wasn’t because ther is going to be hell to pay next time around. Like everything else Trump has no clue. Obama knew he didn’t know and found people who tried. It wasn’t perfect. It worked

Trump doesn’t know he doesn’t know.
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I have a clue. It was the subprime that started it. Now there were a ton of factors that made it worse but it all began with subprime. There was even a President, who by all means wasn't "smart", that warned congress that something needed to be done and he was mocked by the talking heads for not understanding finance. Now if Obama or Trump were President at the time they may have made an executive order to fix it instead of following the constitution.
 
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luthervol said:
I've always been more amazed and surprised by the no action for three years from the right about "the worst president ever."
I never dreamed the right would be so willingly complicit. Maybe 5%, but never 36%.
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That list is long and distinguished, and Trump will likely never be on it. And the reasons he is atop your list are what playground legends are made of.
 
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Mick said:
Maybe you should dig into the NAALC and NAAEC and get back with us.
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Well, if it is life changing and will brighten my day...

Thanks for the references though. I will make note of them for later reading.
 
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Mick said:
He needs to quit complaining and send his lawyers. His supporters are already pissed that it's taken the Dems this long to impeach. I've already head that talking point today.
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Heh. Come on, Mick... it's not about the actual substance of impeachment, it's all about the show. Trump is guilty of bribery / extortion / quid pro quo / whatever you wanna call it, so the ONLY THING he can do is attack the process.

He's just being a big, guilty, whiny p*ssy.
 
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GVF said:
Well, if it is life changing and will brighten my day...

Thanks for the references though. I will make note of them for later reading.
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I just find it hard to point at Clinton's NAFTA for the resulting recession under his successor 12 years after ratification.
 
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PointGuard said:
Because the piper has to be paid or everything defaults. Obama’s actions as designed by Guthner et al didn’t fix the underlying problem they staved off further collapse. It was a comparative band aid

The U.S. government is bankrupt as are many state governments

Many of the world’s governments are banrupt

Everything is propped up. Pull out a leg that is the “propper upper” and it all falls down
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And yet the amount of interest the government pays to borrow money is less than it was forty years ago.
 
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Mick said:
I just find it hard to point at Clinton's NAFTA for the resulting recession under his successor 12 years after ratification.
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Good point.

Wonder if all the radical Libs on here can use that thought process in their blaming of Trump for everything?
 
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