The Impeachment Thread

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#21,576
Weezer said:
He's not a likeable guy. He's an arrogant dick head that only got elected because he ran against Hillary. But he did get elected, which caused the left to lose their ****. JMO, but I think both sides have acted inappropriately since the 2016 election.
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It was inappropriate to nominate Trump.
 
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luthervol said:
The facts are clear. The aid was withheld at Trump's direction as a way to force Ukraine to make a public statement that they were officially investigating Burisma, all in order to help Trump in 2020.
Spin all you want, but it doesn't change that proven fact.
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Luthie... wakie wakie my man. You will never get the truth watching the fake media. No IEDs, really... it was all spin by your media heroes.
Please watch the news clips on an alternate news channel... the truth is not being with held.

Sondland, says 100 times all the qpq bs was a his personal belief... REALLY, he messed things up for your team.

Look up the definition of "Presuming".... it is the basis of Sondland testimony.
 
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luthervol said:
The facts are clear. The aid was withheld at Trump's direction as a way to force Ukraine to make a public statement that they were officially investigating Burisma, all in order to help Trump in 2020.
Spin all you want, but it doesn't change that proven fact.
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Only it's not proven fact. I think you can legitimately claim that based on testimony there is a high probability of truth, but that does not equate to proven fact. You're overstating IMO.
 
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luthervol said:
I liked all the concrete first hand evidence best.
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The thing is there were none.......no concrete first hand evidence....just presumptions on Sondland's part......or you didn't listen when he said that part about himself.....you must have gone to take a crap when that happened. Now, go check your fact sheet......come back and apologize for lying.
 
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Weezer said:
Only it's not proven fact. I think you can legitimately claim that based on testimony there is a high probability of truth, but that does not equate to proven fact. You're overstating IMO.
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I'll defer to RockyTop and his claim that he's seen plenty of jury convictions on less evidence.
It's beyond reasonable doubt.
 
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Septic said:
That's not what witnesses do. Why is this so difficult to understand?
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Your boy brought these people up as witnesses, your side asks nothing but hypothetical questions. All have been asked, was there a quid pro quo? was there bribery? Did you witness bribery?
 
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luthervol said:
It was inappropriate to nominate Trump.
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You do realize we nominated him solely to piss you, the Democrats, and every damn rhino off?

This was our middle finger in the air to everyone.

You wanna keep blaming us and taking us for granted, the hard working people in fly over states that make this country actually run, then have fun dealing with Trump for the next 8 years.
 
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luthervol said:
I'll defer to RockyTop and his claim that he's seen plenty of jury convictions on less evidence.
It's beyond reasonable doubt.
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I don't think he said it was beyond reasonable doubt, but he can clarify if he wants. Given his profession, I've no doubt he's seen convictions on less evidence. But he's probably seen the opposite as well. A lot depends on the jury and what they find reasonable.

And it's still not "proven fact" as you claimed.
 
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NEOCON said:
You do realize we nominated him solely to piss you, the Democrats, and every damn rhino off?

This was our middle finger in the air to everyone.

You wanna keep blaming us and taking us for granted, the hard working people in fly over states that make this country actually run, then have fun dealing with Trump for the next 8 years.
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.......And also not to mention the fact that Obama was weak and a lame ass President that didn't do nuthin.
All Obama did was care how cool he was w/a fragile ego and how cool his wife was.....that's all....nothing more.
 
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NEOCON said:
You do realize we nominated him solely to piss you, the Democrats, and every damn rhino off?

This was our middle finger in the air to everyone.

You wanna keep blaming us and taking us for granted, the hard working people in fly over states that make this country actually run, then have fun dealing with Trump for the next 8 years.
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I do know that is exactly why he was nominated. A big middle finger in the air to everyone. Brilliant rationale. So why act surprised at the completely predictable reactions and the inevitable results.

Plus. What are you being blamed for and by whom? You guys were played.
 
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Weezer said:
I don't think he said it was beyond reasonable doubt, but he can clarify if he wants. Given his profession, I've no doubt he's seen convictions on less evidence. But he's probably seen the opposite as well. A lot depends on the jury and what they find reasonable.

And it's still not "proven fact" as you claimed.
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I'll amend my "proven fact" to "beyond a reasonable doubt".
 
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Septic said:
How do you reconcile that Hillary Clinton had the guts to face congress for 11 hours while Trump and his minions hide like a bunch of sissys? Heh, she may have been crooked, but she wasn't a punk b*tch like Trump.

I'm genuinely curios on how you handle that dissonance intellectually.
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Like any president would. BHillary has nothing to lose at this point.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
That’s not true, and is pretty moronic. I know what beyond a reasonable doubt looks like. I deal with gradations of proof all the time and I am perfectly capable of forming a detached opinion about a case, regardless of what I think should happen. Otherwise, how would I advise and defend criminals that I know are guilty?

The reason I “hate Trump,” and the inherent fallacy this as a dumbass argument for every single who doesn’t kiss his ass, is because of Trump. It’s not because I was born hating Trump or really even gave two ***** about him before he turned into a dog **** politician with no identifiable principles and an unsustainable political model.

I didn’t think he should have been removed over collusion in the Mueller investigation, even though I suspect he probably was guilty. “Probably was” isn’t enough. There was reasonable doubt. Just because I spent half my time scolding morons who don’t know the difference between “no proof” and “insufficient proof,” just like most of you can’t tell the difference between news and opinion, doesn’t mean I was sold on impeachment.

I didn’t think he should be removed over obstruction in the mueller investigation. The proof was there but even though I thought it was worse than what Clinton (who I also wanted removed) did, I made posts at the time saying I didn’t think it warranted removal.

I haven’t thought he should be removed over any of the other things he’s done, either, for essentially the same reason. Maybe cumulatively there’s a case to be made but the man has so many infractions that it’s honestly hard to keep track of them all.

Most of the disagreements I have with people on here is over your moronic attempts to defend against even the most insignificant criticisms, when they’re clearly valid. Like you’re doing now.

Here, you guys are trying to cobble together soundbites into a defense, but the evidence about what happened hasn’t even been seriously contested. It all circumstantially points the finger at Donald Trump.

I’ve witnessed several trials where far less proof than what’s been put on already was enough to reach a conviction.

So yeah, I don’t think it’s me that’s running on pure bias. Literally the only people that think this is going well are the hardcore trumpophiles. Every form of moderate and center right media has this scored, at best, 49-46 heading into the 6th with Volker being the only round where Trump may have won.
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lol. Keep trying to justify your TDS. You are a typical liberal. seeing what you believe.
 
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